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DOJ Releases Bump Stock Ban Notice
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TheMailMan
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...hat-turn-legal-weapons-into-machine-guns.html
I like how they say they'll have a comment period then make the law.
No amnesty, you'll have to destroy a previously legal product.
A bump stock doesn't turn anything into a "machine gun".
I like how they say they'll have a comment period then make the law.
No amnesty, you'll have to destroy a previously legal product.
A bump stock doesn't turn anything into a "machine gun".
When you really get down to it, a bump stock does NOT function the way that PRM states. If you hold the pistol grip of an AR equipped with a bump stock and fire the weapon, it will not fire more than one time UNLESS you SIMULTANEOUSLY use your other hand on the handguard to push the weapon forward. If you one hand it, you get one shot fired.
Essentially, an AR equipped with a bump stock is functionally EXACTLY the same as a Model 1897 trench gun 12gauge. The one difference is that with the trench gun, you need not reset the trigger, you just hold it back and the gun slam fires once the slide is fully forward after having chambered the next round. No one here is suggesting that the trench gun is a machinegun even though there's only a single function of the trigger used in order to completely empty the gun's tubular magazine.
It's simply absurd.
Essentially, an AR equipped with a bump stock is functionally EXACTLY the same as a Model 1897 trench gun 12gauge. The one difference is that with the trench gun, you need not reset the trigger, you just hold it back and the gun slam fires once the slide is fully forward after having chambered the next round. No one here is suggesting that the trench gun is a machinegun even though there's only a single function of the trigger used in order to completely empty the gun's tubular magazine.
It's simply absurd.
How many people do you think are going to turn them in?
TheMailMan
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Next up will be a rule banning thumbs and rubber bands.
I read the entire thing. Initial impressions:
- It completely sticks fingers in ears and hums loudly on the subject of binary triggers. It doesn't touch them even though some of the wording implies they know about them. They go to some pain to word things so that binary triggers are not impacted by consistently and with great frequency stressing "pull" of the trigger and never mentioning "release".
- Beyond binary triggers, it makes no mention of any of the things that would have been banned by various bump-stock bills that have shown up in Congress and in several state legislatures. IOW, it doesn't use nebulous definitions like "...and anything else that increases the rate of fire..." such as we saw in the Feinstein bill. Those bills would have made changing the weight of a bolt carrier group or even oiling your AR technically illegal. This document completely skips that and only discusses stocks.
- This document explicitly says that substitutes for stocks, like using a rubber band in some way that mimics automatic fire, is A-OK. WTF? The ATF once ruled a shoelace was a machine gun; going this far in the other direction (and ignoring binary triggers) strikes me as a blatant attempt to throw a bone to the bump-firing crowd so they won't scream too loud about this change in the rules. Or maybe I'm just paranoid. Still, the inclusion of the line "No other feasible alternatives were identified..." on page 43 seems to me to be a bit of a tell. It fairly screams "We left some stuff out because the questions would be too hard and we'd get too much pushback."
- I'm confused. What's the date on this document? It makes reference to comments to be filed in the future, i.e. it leaves space to insert a new docket number. However, it also uses the docket number for the comments that were previously filed and includes an (infuriating but fascinating and extensive) analysis of the 115K+ comments that were received. Is there going to be yet another comment period?
Specifically, no. See "Alternative 3" on page 43.
I agree, Ben. I read the entire thing specifically to find whether there was any potential future "encroachment"/"mission creep" into the currently-unintended-to-be-affected binary trigger field. When I say "I liked what I read", I only mean that I--like you--was heartened to see how they worked very hard to NOT include more than what they were essentially ordered to include, namely, bump stocks. I'm not happy that they're changing things up to redefine "machinegun" and "automatic" such that bump stocks violate the law as they are preparing to do; however, it seems like they're NOT trying to sneak one in there and take the binary triggers tomorrow. But who knows . . .
And, I say it again--I'm NOT at all happy that they're undergoing this rulemaking. I believe they are driving outside of their assigned lane with this whole thing, as I believe it to be Congress' job to write these definitions and not ATF. And I believe that Congress attempting to accomplish this same thing would run up against a brick wall of 2A supporters that would prevent it from happening.
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This will not be the end, but the beginning.....
BillFairbanks
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Then they should remove the regulations on automatic weapons and sawed off shotguns/rifles.
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I am tired of NRA bending over and grabbing their ankles every time some one wants to push some form of Gun Ban. It seems that they should have fought it better. I had upgraded my membership to patreon and I am done with them. No more upgrades until they start fighting for all these small things.
I don't care about bump stock but it is the intent that counts, when does the selling out stop. Next thing the "large capacity" 10 round magazine is going to be banned. I see the left is already pushing on it and Rino's caving in.
I don't care about bump stock but it is the intent that counts, when does the selling out stop. Next thing the "large capacity" 10 round magazine is going to be banned. I see the left is already pushing on it and Rino's caving in.
The thing about it not effecting binary triggers is a moot point. It sets president as to banning or calling non machine guns machine guns. If you think its going to stop with bump fire stocks well then my god help you.
When the house and senate are both Democratic controlled they will have no problems calling anything and everything that speeds up rate of fire a machine gun that includes gun lube that they will not be using when they insert it fully.
When the house and senate are both Democratic controlled they will have no problems calling anything and everything that speeds up rate of fire a machine gun that includes gun lube that they will not be using when they insert it fully.
TheMailMan
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I'm going to the NRA annual meeting. I need to find a pithy tee shirt to wear to the meeting. I'm not happy at all.
Lunyfringe
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Denver has had a bona-fide law banning them for a little while now... no amnesty- no buy-back.... just turn them in or be a criminal.
Wanna guess how many have been turned in?
Zero, zilch, nada.
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