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  • Ole Cowboy

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    Mods you are welcome to move this thread if you do deem.


    Drug use is the dirty little secret of war. The NVA/VC used it heavily and in my time in I/II Corp 67-68 I saw very little of it and when I did it was very limited...( I will admit I had never heard of and had not any idea what it was other than the smell which I have always found to be sickening sweet. I have smoked in my life).





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    Damien Spleeters of Conflict Armament Research recently posted this photograph on his Twitter feed of a 7.62x39mm Chinese Type 81 LMG that was recovered among an entire cache of Type 81s after the battlefor Mosul.

    We had some Easter eggs in the @conflictarm ISIS report (http://www.conflictarm.com/download-file/?report_id=2568&file_id=2574 …). Stuff we keep investigating. Here’s one: We documented 183 Chinese MGs, each with 2 to 3 small pouches attached to them, filled with amphetamine.

    Although the presence of Chinese Type 81s is of interest by itself, of particular note here is the fact that CAR documented the presence of amphetamine filled packets that were attached to the machine gun. Not only were the packets attached to a single machine gun, but in fact to every Type 81 found in the weapons cache. The majority appeared to have three packets tied to the barrel just below the gas tube, the trigger guard, and the buttstock. Upon reaching out to Damien, there hasn’t been a definite conclusion on exactly what type of amphetamine is in the packet (pending lab analysis), but it is conclusive that the powderinside is an intoxicating substance. In an earlier CAR report on weapons of the Islamic State, there was a photograph published of the cache with the packets attached to them, but no further information was included.
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    Interesting; thanks for that Ole Cowboy.
    It has long been known the ‘child warriors’ used in most all the African conflicts, were hopped up on something prior to going into combat. And this tradition was heavily expected to have occurred during the Korean war by the north Korean and Chinese troops. In fact, in a direct linkage with fighting the Moro warriors of the Philippines - who were also “drugged up” - this lead to the Army replacing their 38s which were held to be less than effective in stopping these drugged tribal warriors.
    I suspect combat and drug use has a long historical association (and probably will have, going into the future).
     

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    Interesting; thanks for that Ole Cowboy.
    It has long been known the ‘child warriors’ used in most all the African conflicts, were hopped up on something prior to going into combat. And this tradition was heavily expected to have occurred during the Korean war by the north Korean and Chinese troops. In fact, in a direct linkage with fighting the Moro warriors of the Philippines - who were also “drugged up” - this lead to the Army replacing their 38s which were held to be less than effective in stopping these drugged tribal warriors.
    I suspect combat and drug use has a long historical association (and probably will have, going into the future).
    We always talked about how did those little guys in black pajamas could take 5 hits with the M 16 and keep coming...drugs. Something else that contributed to the poor performance of the 5.56 in combat.
     

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    Anyone ever read any of the Flashman series of novels? British officer in the 18th century fights many battles in the far East. Although the novels are fiction, they are based on a lot of fact of that era. The far East fighters were continuously under the influence of some sort of drug.
     

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    I haven’t heard of those novels Charlie, but yeah, that would make sense. I know from just a general reading of history, back before the early 1900s, India (and eastward) had what were known as ‘opium dens’ where people could lay around smoking opium getting wasted (& addicted). So the use of such mind numbing drugs would’ve been a natural fit for a lot of combatants (who, for the most part, probably didn’t want to be there to begin with).
     
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