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  • easy rider

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    Question: why do you think you can’t go out and sue a company that didn’t let you carry on in their building?
    Are the owners at fault? Did you have to go there? If you know that it is a gun free zone before going into a business that you weren't forced to go into, whose at fault?
     

    majormadmax

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    Question: why do you think you can’t go out and sue a company that didn’t let you carry on in their building?

    For one, Texas law (30.06) allows private businesses to decide whether they want licensed individuals to carry on their property or not, so while the burden of proof in civil court is lower, I still don't see what grounds a person would have for such a case.

    Secondly, since that law has been on the books since 1 Sep, 1997, if such a lawsuit were even possible don't you think someone would have tried it by now?
     

    stdreb27

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    For one, Texas law (30.06) allows private businesses to decide whether they want licensed individuals to carry on their property or not, so while the burden of proof in civil court is lower, I still don't see what grounds a person would have for such a case.

    Secondly, since that law has been on the books since 1 Sep, 1997, if such a lawsuit were even possible don't you think someone would have tried it by now?

    You can sue for anything. You just have to demonstrate damages.

    IMO the reason you haven’t seen it is because as a whole the demographic that carry’s isn’t as likely to sue.

    I used to work for a retail company serving a demo looking to hit the lawyer lotto. You wouldn’t believe the stuff they got sued for.

    Now if you want to change something pass a law removing the caps to damages when a civil suit is related to actions taken due to a 30.06/30.07 or 51% sign...
     
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    LOCKHART

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    I haven't been in a Waffle House in 40 years and have no plans to visit them anytime soon. Their food was shitty then, and I have no reasonable expectations that it's any better now! We're talking WAFFLES here, people! I will frequent places that are a little more gun friendly to spend my money.
     

    easy rider

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    You can sue for anything. You just have to demonstrate damages.

    IMO the reason you haven’t seen it is because as a whole the demographic that carry’s isn’t as likely to sue.
    And there have been law suits to sue the gun manufacturers that made the gun that a maniac used to kill people, and I certainly don't think that would be right either, had the people suing won those.
     

    LOCKHART

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    Doing business with ANY retail business that restricts my right to protect myself or family is something I don't do, and I usually find a way to let that retail business know WHY they will no longer receive any of my money. Will it change their mind? I don't really give a rats ass!
     

    Ole Cowboy

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    And there have been law suits to sue the gun manufacturers that made the gun that a maniac used to kill people, and I certainly don't think that would be right either, had the people suing won those.
    This is EZ to fix and as much as I hate to say it we can learn a lesson from a lot of other countries.

    New Law: LOSER PAYS!

    I can file a lawsuit and cost a company $100's of thousands to defend and an individual $10's of thousands to defend and I can do with with a few dollars and if I lose, no big deal, my costs next to nothing, your costs can and often does BANKRUPT you or your company, all for nothing other than to make a few lawyer very RICH!
     

    LOCKHART

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    I think England has had loser pays for quite awhile now, and I think they have jury laws that only require a majority to convict. I like that last one. Keeps the social justice warriors on juries from letting a sorry piece of shit back on the street!
     

    Younggun

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    This devate has come up before. My stance is either known or easily found.

    That said, I've always pushed back against private businesses being treated as "public" due to the road that could lead down. Recently Starbucks hit the news because 2 men were sitting in the business refusing to order and refusing to leave. Cops were called, they were arrested after still refusing refusing to leave, and later released.

    The leftists are claiming the men had a RIGHT to be there because it was a PUBLIC place. That is the path we are taking if we start trying to claim we have some right to enter a business will lead to more of this type of BS. I will continue to push for the rights of private businesses, I don't even believe in the protections based on race, religion, etc outside of government functions. Private businesses should be treated as such.

    I hear a lot about geese and ganders, but it's a terrible way to try to win these battles. It's basically caving to the leftist ideology. Are we going to start pushing for socialism as well in order to show them what's what?
     

    pharmaco

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    If you want the public on your property or in your business and you restrict their Constitutional rights in favor of your private property rights then you should be responsible for damage YOU engendered by allowing people there and restriscting their rights. You can be a puplic place or a private one but when you set conditions you should be held liable for the damage you allow.
    I fail to understand why running a business makes one think they are the more equal pigs on the farm
    You're essentially entering a restrictive covenant every time you enter a private business.

    Do you think the two guys at Starbucks were right?

    You're essentially agreeing with them.
     

    stdreb27

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    You're essentially entering a restrictive covenant every time you enter a private business.

    Do you think the two guys at Starbucks were right?

    You're essentially agreeing with them.

    Just to play devils advocate, constitutionally baring arms is more of a protected class than someone in a wheel chair who has guaranteed access thanks to the ADA...
     
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