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  • stdreb27

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    A private business isn't public. My land, my rules.

    There is a long established differentiation between private property and publicly accessible private property.

    That’s why when the bank of regulatory debacle buys a drive through ATM there is a headphone jack and Braille, so the blind guy driving his vehicle Get cash out.
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    Younggun

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    There is a long established differentiation between private property and publicly accessible private property.

    That’s why when the bank of regulatory debacle buys a drive through ATM there is a headphone jack and Braille, so the blind guy driving his vehicle Get cash out.

    Just shows the problem with such asinine laws restricting private businesses.


    Although banks are so dependant and tied in with the feds the line gets pretty blurry.
     

    easy rider

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    There is a long established differentiation between private property and publicly accessible private property.

    That’s why when the bank of regulatory debacle buys a drive through ATM there is a headphone jack and Braille, so the blind guy driving his vehicle Get cash out.
    There is a difference, those are examples of how persons with disabilities can use a business. Nobody says you can't eat at Waffle House, they are just saying your handgun can't accompany you. Knowing that, you take the risk if you do.
     

    seeker_two

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    That place east of Waco....
    I'd be more inclined to support a law that protects business owners from liability from a LTC's actions, even if that person is an employed representative of that business, if the business owner does not prohibit CC. That would make the 30.06 signs disappear in a hurry....and maybe make businesses friendly to allowing employee CC.

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    stdreb27

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    There is a difference, those are examples of how persons with disabilities can use a business. Nobody says you can't eat at Waffle House, they are just saying your handgun can't accompany you. Knowing that, you take the risk if you do.

    We respect property rights almost as a trump card to all other rights.

    But no one rails about gubbermint dictation of the height of a toilet paper dispenser.

    There are far more onerous intrusions to property rights than pushing a little on guns in open to the public buildings.

    Don’t get me wrong, I do not believe in gubbermint intrusion and I do not support making people do something within their own property.

    I do think this illustrates the absurdity of having pre-defined punishments for someone carrying past a sign...

    The business should have to police itself.
     

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    I read some of that as "there are worse problems so a new problem shouldn't be an issue".
     

    stdreb27

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    I read some of that as "there are worse problems so a new problem shouldn't be an issue".

    Folks need to understand they intrusions they see on a daily basis.

    2 wrongs don’t make a right.

    We need to clean up the first wrong. Which is a 30.06 sign.

    It’s a clear demonstration of the slippery slope.
     

    Big Dipper

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    I'd be more inclined to support a law that protects business owners from liability from a LTC's actions, even if that person is an employed representative of that business, if the business owner does not prohibit CC. That would make the 30.06 signs disappear in a hurry....and maybe make businesses friendly to allowing employee CC.

    Which is the route that Wisconsin followed:


    Wis. Stat. § 175.60(21)

    (b) A person that does not prohibit an individual from carrying a concealed weapon on property that the person owns or occupies is immune from any liability arising from its decision.

    (c) An employer that does not prohibit one or more employees from carrying a concealed weapon under sub. (15m) is immune from any liability arising from its decision.


    And, as expected very, very few Wisconsin businesses post!
     

    45tex

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    You're essentially entering a restrictive covenant every time you enter a private business.

    Do you think the two guys at Starbucks were right?

    You're essentially agreeing with them.
    They had no Constitutionial right to occupy the business without conducting business. When the proprietor says go you must go. .06 and 7 signs seek to use prior restraint and with that right comes responsibility. Alittle prior restraint at starsucks like a sign "No loitering without purchase." Starsucks liberasl mindset got them into their mess.
     

    pharmaco

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    They had no Constitutionial right to occupy the business without conducting business. When the proprietor says go you must go. .06 and 7 signs seek to use prior restraint and with that right comes responsibility. Alittle prior restraint at starsucks like a sign "No loitering without purchase." Starsucks liberasl mindset got them into their mess.

    Are you asserting that an individual has the right to enter anywhere they please, but they can't stay indefinitely?


    Or are you saying that a property owner has no right to prevent entry, but they l can only kick someone out if they're not there for legitimate business?

    If so, I disagree.
     

    majormadmax

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    It's pretty clear...

    Sec. 30.05. CRIMINAL TRESPASS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person enters or remains on or in property of another, including residential land, agricultural land, a recreational vehicle park, a building, or an aircraft or other vehicle, without effective consent and the person:

    (1) had notice that the entry was forbidden; or

    (2) received notice to depart but failed to do so.
     

    BillFairbanks

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    I think that when a business prohibits lawful conceal carry without providing adequate armed security they are creating a dangerous situation. I'd be okay with increasing the liability of those businesses.
     

    M&P9_Rich

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    I think England has had loser pays for quite awhile now, and I think they have jury laws that only require a majority to convict. I like that last one. Keeps the social justice warriors on juries from letting a sorry piece of shit back on the street!

    Maybe you should do some research on Jury Nullification and your rights as a Juror, it's the last backstop against unjust laws and prosecution. What if you were completely innocent? Would you really want to be convicted because most of the Jury thinks you're guilty? Not me.
     

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    M&P9 Rich, I really doubt there is that many innocent people getting indicted. Sure, there are cases like Michael Morton, who was unjustly sent to prison for the murder of his wife. But I think most in the prison system are exactly where they belong. Of course if you asked ANY prisoner in TDC, they will readily tell you that they were framed, and are innocent as a new born babe!
     

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    Pretty much this. No one forced you to go to the anti-gun establishment. You don't like their policy and are worried about the possibility of not defending yourself? Don't go there then. We don't need more dumb ass laws telling a property owner what he or she can or cannot do. Next up, same laws apply to your house too if you visit a friend? I can always find about 5 or 6 different alternatives if a store doesn't appeal to my standards or ideologies.
    The property owner decides to post 30.06 or 30.07 which is their right. You are a LTC and have the same choice, to enter or not to enter, and you are now the one with the choice as the owner, the right to choose. If the sign is up don't enter.
     
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