Indiana school shooting

AustinN4 · May 25, 2018

ZX9RCAM said:
But you can understand that your comment I quoted makes you sound like you think guns should be accessible to anybody in the house whenever you are home.

Not anybody, friends don't see them but they there, strategically located. Don't know about your friends but ours don't roam around the house rummaging in our things. And if we are away and a friend needs to do something for us in the house, the guns at home are locked in the safes.

What would you do if you had kids?

Lock the little heathens in the safes and keep the guns close at hand!

ZX9RCAM · May 25, 2018

AustinN4 said:
Not anybody, friends don't see them but they there, strategically located. Not usre about your friends but ours don't roam around the house rummaging in our things.

Lock the little heathens in the safes and keep the guns close at hand!

I'm constantly having to chase my grandkids out of our bedroom.
They claim they have to go to the restroom, next thing I know they're in a closet.
They always want to look everywhere.

That's what I'm talking about.

AustinN4 · May 25, 2018

easy rider said:
At 16 I worked at a gun club (bird boy), I got to shoot when times were slow and also competed. I had a competition skeet O/U in my bedroom, I didn't keep it loaded though.

Back then we didn't have kids shooting up their classmates either.

mwrookie · May 25, 2018

Agreed! It is a combination of everything you mentioned. However I would add the media being at fault. It may not be the kids trying to "out due each other" but more along the lines of giving these mentally screwed up kids ideas. I did not want to say it in my post under "Texas Attorney General" but the media will never take the high road and shut up...even if it could save just 1 life. These incidents are ratings gold for them. Funny how they would jump screaming 1A while they are quick to toss out 2A.

My sister-in-laws mom works in a psych dept at a large hospital. She was saying when you have someone who is so far depressed to the point of suicide, but may not have the "stones" to do it SSRI's can give them the stones. That is why they say "may cause suicide". And like the link I posted in the other thread It has been proven SSRI's may cause kids to commit violent crimes.

As far as harsh punishments...they should be tried as an adult..including death penalty being on the table. If anyone thinks that is too harsh please post some psychological studies that show the exact mental changes one goes through between 15 and 18 that shows the brain suddenly learns right from wrong at 18. I am not being combative in any way I am truly asking for studies.

Churchmouse · May 25, 2018

That school district is just North East of us. I have many friends that have kids in that system and that school. The parents of the shooter live 4 or 5 houses away from one of them. They have had issue with this kid before. LEO knew of him.
1st.....where did he get 2 handguns.
2nd....are they mom and dads. Where they not secured.
3rd....The coach's bravery saved how many kids. He took 3 for his actions. He is stable.
4th...Harden the schools. Put in armed security. This will not stop. It is a societal slip as to parenting and the disconnection some have from reality. We are raising children with no morals. No respect for life. No discipline. Everyone gets a trophy for no effort. When they get dissed they have zero idea how to deal. Until we address this issue these things will continue.

AustinN4 · May 25, 2018

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easy rider · May 25, 2018

AustinN4 said:
Back then we didn't have kids shooting up their classmates either.

I never even thought of such a thing for me or anyone else for that matter.

AustinN4 · May 25, 2018

And here is another good reason to keep them locked up:
https://www.news-journal.com/texas-...cle_1676ffb2-6076-11e8-8843-9b12dc091b9d.html

BillFairbanks · May 25, 2018

School Shootings are not a new phenomenon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

We’re dealing with copycats of Columbine because of the notoriety they received. Columbine was inspired by the Oklahoma City Bombing which was inspired by the gun control efforts in Waco.

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easy rider · May 25, 2018

I'm not so sure that it's mental issues, at least as far as crazy goes. Kids nowadays have access to talking with most anyone anywhere with social media, and being exposed to who knows what. I have classes with high school students at the college and the first thing I have to do when class starts is to tell them to put their phones away.

AustinN4 · May 25, 2018

ZX9RCAM said:
They claim they have to go to the restroom, next thing I know they're in a closet. They always want to look everywhere. That's what I'm talking about.

Solved that problem also, The closet the safes are in has a key locked deadbolt on the door and the door hinges are on the inside, not exposed. It is to slow the burglar down just a bit more while the alarm system brings the cops in. I guarantee you the kiddos would not get in that closet even with the safes locked.

ZX9RCAM · May 25, 2018

AustinN4 said:
Solved that problem also, The closet the safes are in has a key locked deadbolt on the door and the door hinges are on the inside, not exposed. It is to slow the burglar down just a bit more while the alarm system brings the cops in. I guarantee you the kiddos would not get in that closet even with the safes locked.

But when you are home, you claim that you have the safe unlocked and guns accessible.

Yes, I know that you don't have kids, but I asked you "what if you did"?
Still haven't replied.

AustinN4 · May 25, 2018

BillFairbanks said:
School Shootings are not a new phenomenon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

We’re dealing with copycats of Columbine because of the notoriety they received. Columbine was inspired by the Oklahoma City Bombing which was inspired by the gun control efforts in Waco.

Believe what you want but I go with Occam's Razor:
Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the simpler one is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is.

Therefore my explanation is that kids today are psycho and we were normal back then.

BillFairbanks · May 25, 2018

AustinN4 said:
Believe what you want but I go with Occam's Razor:
Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the simpler one is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is.

Therefore my explanation is that kids today are psycho and we were normal back then.

lol

Nope. Kids have always been psycho.

My gg-uncle was Cullen Baker. Crazy ain’t nothing new.

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busykngt · May 25, 2018

Charles Whitman, UT tower shooter, 1966, body count 18, injured 31 - psycho school shooters have been at it for a long time.
They just seem to come a little more frequently nowadays. And maybe this is influenced by media reporting and the 24/7 news cycle we now have with us.
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The possible role that SSRIs play, is definitely a connection that needs to be studied. I don’t know what such a study might turn up, but it needs to happen. Without studying if there is a cause & effect linkage, we’ll never know if those drugs are contributing to the problem.

mwrookie · May 25, 2018

ZX9RCAM said:
The possible role that SSRIs play, is definitely a connection that needs to be studied. I don’t know what such a study might turn up, but it needs to happen. Without studying if there is a cause & effect linkage, we’ll never know if those drugs are contributing to the problem.

I agree!

I am not saying the work John did to come up with the info is gospel, but it does drive concern.
http://blog.nwoutdoorwriter.com/read-john-noveskes-last-facebook-post/

This link is a follow up to cases John did not get the answers too.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/school-shooters-and-pharmaceuticals/

easy rider · May 25, 2018

busykngt said:
Charles Whitman, UT tower shooter, 1966, body count 18, injured 31 - psycho school shooters have been at it for a long time.
They just seem to come a little more frequently nowadays. And maybe this is influenced by media reporting and the 24/7 news cycle we now have with us.
—
The possible role that SSRIs play, is definitely a connection that needs to be studied. I don’t know what such a study might turn up, but it needs to happen. Without studying if there is a cause & effect linkage, we’ll never know if those drugs are contributing to the problem.

How many were teens?

Wildcat Diva · May 26, 2018

Well, my teenage kids are well trained with self defense “tools”, and have no mental or delinquent ailments.

They are at home by themselves often, and you can be damn sure that they have access to tools to defend our home and themselves with.

No one comes over to our home to visit ever, so that’s no concern of unauthorized people having access.

If they want to show a friend a firearm, we get the friend’s parent’s permission and have a range day.

They know that firearms are not toys and they know how to safely use them. (All have shot competitions and know safety protocols).

I know what is best for my family.

The thing is, freedom allows all families to decide what to do, even to obey laws or choose to not obey laws. So, people can pay the penalty, whatever that may be, if there is an error in thinking/ deciding.

Recoil45 · May 26, 2018

ZX9RCAM said:
But you can understand that your comment I quoted makes you sound like you think guns should be accessible to anybody in the house whenever you are home.
What would you do if you had kids?

You carry until bedtime. Then lock your bedroom door while it is on your nightstand.

This topic has been deeply discussed on forums in the antigun states who have laws like this on the books and this seems to be the most logical of all the options.

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Recoil45 · May 26, 2018

AustinN4 said:
To keep your kid from killing classmates? Every parent in these things says they didn't believe their kid was capable of such a thing. Well, they were!

I think that is sometimes a cover their butt type of answer. I would be surprised if anyone is dumb enough to say,..,. yah I knew my kid was bullied at school and did not fit in, but I did nothing to secure my guns because I did not think he was going to snap.

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