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easy rider · May 26, 2018

From what I read, the shooter was inside the restaurant and the two men confronted as he came out, they ordered him to put his gun down and then shot him when he fired at them.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ho-shot-oklahoma-restaurant-diners/643726002/

ZX9RCAM · May 26, 2018

"He was legally allowed to carry a weapon."

Unless things changed from when I was commissioned, a commissioned security officer can only carry when in uniform, and only to and from home/job.

Of course that was in Texas, and 35 years ago.

Wildcat Diva · May 26, 2018

Hmmm. About the shooting outside/inside the restaurant thing: I dunno.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/civilian-...-topstories.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=fb

Tilghman fired "from the outside of the door into the restaurant," Matthews said, adding "to me, it looks like a random event."

easy rider · May 26, 2018

I will admit I wasn't there, so I can only go by what is reported, and who knows what to believe these days.

AustinN4 · May 26, 2018

ZX9RCAM said:
"He was legally allowed to carry a weapon."

Who is the he in that sentence?

ZX9RCAM · May 26, 2018

AustinN4 said:
Who is the he in that sentence?

Quoted from Easy riders article ...

"Tilghman wore ear muffs like those supplied at shooting ranges and wore protective glasses during the shooting. He was a licensed as an armed security guard, according to Catherine Edwards at the Oklahoma Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training, which issues such licenses. He was legally allowed to carry a weapon."

AustinN4 · May 26, 2018

ZX9RCAM said:
Quoted from Easy riders article ..."Tilghman wore ear muffs like those supplied at shooting ranges and wore protective glasses during the shooting. He was a licensed as an armed security guard, according to Catherine Edwards at the Oklahoma Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training, which issues such licenses. He was legally allowed to carry a weapon."

LOL, I read that article and totally missed that paragraph. Thanks

diesel1959 · May 26, 2018

ZX9RCAM said:
"He was legally allowed to carry a weapon."

Unless things changed from when I was commissioned, a commissioned security officer can only carry when in uniform, and only to and from home/job.

Of course that was in Texas, and 35 years ago.

Different State; different laws.

ZX9RCAM · May 26, 2018

diesel1959 said:
Different State; different laws.

https://www.ok.gov/cleet/Licensing/Private_Security_-_FAQ.html

"Q. Can a licensed Armed Security Guard or Private Investigator carry a firearm while off duty?
A. Armed Security Guards are prohibited from carrying a firearm, unless on duty and on the property they are contracted to protect. This prohibition includes traveling to and from work. A licensed Armed Private Investigator may carry a concealed firearm while off duty, but must have in his or her immediate possession both a valid Armed Private Investigator’s license and driver’s license. If you have a concealed carry permit pursuant to the Self Defense Act you may carry a firearm under the Rules set out in that Act.

majormadmax · May 26, 2018

I took it to mean he was licensed to do so outside of the ability to carry as a security guard.

That said, I noticed in the Tennessee Waffle House incident the shooter was disarmed by an armed citizen. Under such circumstances, I doubt I would make any effort to disarm a shooter unless it was by putting rounds into him/her. God forbid any of us find ourselves in such a situation, but as far as I am concerned there is only one response to it and that is to take the shooter down as quickly as possible!

ZX9RCAM · May 26, 2018

majormadmax said:
I took it to mean he was licensed to do so outside of the ability to carry as a security guard.

That said, I noticed in the Tennessee Waffle House incident the shooter was disarmed by an armed citizen. Under such circumstances, I doubt I would make any effort to disarm a shooter unless it was by putting rounds into him/her. God forbid any of us find ourselves in such a situation, but as far as I am concerned there is only one response to it and that is to take the shooter down as quickly as possible!

Being that it is stated that he was a security guard, with license issued for it, in the same paragraph that he was legally allowed to carry a weapon, I presumed it was a reporter talking about stuff they knew nothing about.

Wildcat Diva · May 26, 2018

easy rider said:
I will admit I wasn't there, so I can only go by what is reported, and who knows what to believe these days.

Yep me too

ZX9RCAM · May 26, 2018

The appearance for anti-gunners agenda is much better if he was legally carrying a gun.

easy rider · May 26, 2018

Exactly!

diesel1959 · May 26, 2018

ZX9RCAM said:
https://www.ok.gov/cleet/Licensing/Private_Security_-_FAQ.html

"Q. Can a licensed Armed Security Guard or Private Investigator carry a firearm while off duty?
A. Armed Security Guards are prohibited from carrying a firearm, unless on duty and on the property they are contracted to protect. This prohibition includes traveling to and from work. A licensed Armed Private Investigator may carry a concealed firearm while off duty, but must have in his or her immediate possession both a valid Armed Private Investigator’s license and driver’s license. If you have a concealed carry permit pursuant to the Self Defense Act you may carry a firearm under the Rules set out in that Act.

Thanks, but I wasn't stating what the Oklahoma law actually was . . . but just that it's always a fool's errand to assume that other states' rules/laws comport with our home state. :cheers:

Thanks for doing the research!

diesel1959 · May 26, 2018

ZX9RCAM said:
Being that it is stated that he was a security guard, with license issued for it, in the same paragraph that he was legally allowed to carry a weapon, I presumed it was a reporter talking about stuff they knew nothing about.

Also, to a stupid reporter, being told that the shooter had a license to carry a firearm as a security guard should not automatically allow the reporter to assume that the suspect had the right to carry the firearm at the time and place the incident occurred. Some folks really are too stupid to suss out the particulars with precision.

easy rider · May 26, 2018

I'm sure the majority of people and especially the uninformed left wouldn't suspect that the reporter might not know what he's saying. The reporter may never research it, what's the chances many others would, outside of those looking for the truth?

AustinN4 · May 27, 2018

easy rider said:
I'm sure the majority of people and especially the uninformed left wouldn't suspect that the reporter might not know what he's saying. The reporter may never research it, what's the chances many others would, outside of those looking for the truth?

The above describes the sad state of journalism today. Very little is researched before it is presented to the public.

Wildcat Diva · May 27, 2018

Perhaps this is one reason why I rant/yell at the TV like a crazy person at least once a day.

AustinN4 · May 27, 2018

Wildcat Diva said:
Perhaps this is one reason why I rant/yell at the TV like a crazy person at least once a day.

Good to know I am not the only one.

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