ar15 vs ak47
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Uh oh...not this topic. Lol. Jk.
Are you asking for reasons on what to focus your money on or just asking this age old question? I'm bored. So I'll play.
The ar15. This isn't the 90's or early 2000's. Akm parts are drying up. Us made ones never seem to get done right. The manufacturing process isn't as cnc friendly as the ar. Ar15 parts are everywhere. More options to build an ar15 or 10 as a do everything kind of gun.
As Sam7sf stated, it's the old "Chevy vs Ford" debate and honestly one that's far more driven by emotion and opinion than fact.
That said, I would contend the one that is most prolific in conflicts around the globe would be the "best," which would be the Kalashnikov; but it all depends on what you are looking for from such a rifle.
There are positive and negative aspects concerning both, but don't be fooled by Internet lore such as the AK isn't accurate or that the 5.56 round isn't as lethal. Neither is true.
Still, in the end I look to the experts for their insights (through controlled conditions and the scientific method) on the two...
Cheers! M2
That said, I would contend the one that is most prolific in conflicts around the globe would be the "best," which would be the Kalashnikov; but it all depends on what you are looking for from such a rifle.
There are positive and negative aspects concerning both, but don't be fooled by Internet lore such as the AK isn't accurate or that the 5.56 round isn't as lethal. Neither is true.
Still, in the end I look to the experts for their insights (through controlled conditions and the scientific method) on the two...
Cheers! M2
Yeah. 100 percent this.
I had a wasr10 that was a nice shooter. Don't know why. It just was. Never should have sold it. Was straight too. Lol. The only akm I have now is my sam7sf. With its muzzle break, milled receiver, and its unique recoil system (totally sounds like a sales pitch) it just sits in your arms. No recoil. Its my go to for the most part. My other go to is a stag model 1, or now called stag15. I just trust it. It can be less accurate with the wrong loads. That takes me to my next point...
Ammo. At least with an ar15 for factory ammo, I can change my ammo supply and not take a loss. By that I mean I can discard the ammo one rifle doesn't like and feed it in a plinker. With most ak ammo, we get what we get. Its not like we have a lot of choices. I do have pmc 7.62x39 and hornady. Helps a little bit.
Mags...currently my preferred is d&h then magpul for ar mags. For ak I have been extremely happy with the third gen pmags. They have the stainless steel reinforcements.
Gear setup. Keep in mind I never served. The only experience I have is run and gun with my army friends who showed me how they do it. Advantage goes to the ar mags for being more gear friendly.
What uses will an ak shine over an ar? Imo a learning gun or one that any family member can learn to operate in a hurry. There's a reason child soldiers use em in shatholes in Africa. Great camping and ranch guns. My ak and yugo sks are my go to camping guns to keep my family safe.
Of all the people on the internet or in person that I've encountered only one seems to be fair and balanced when it comes to gun topics. That man? Paul Harrell. He presents the facts in a scientific manner and then lets YOU Decide.....
AK vs AR platforms.
POWER
ACCURACY
VERSUS BODY ARMOR
Also unlike most yahoos on the internet
1) Paul served as a firearms instructor in both the marines and army
2) Paul is a national shooting champion in several categories including pistol and black powder
3) Paul has actually, unfortunately, had to kill someone in self defense as a civilian. http://www.wallowa.com/20070619/harrell-freed-of-manslaughter-charges-in-troy-shooting
AK vs AR platforms.
POWER
ACCURACY
VERSUS BODY ARMOR
Also unlike most yahoos on the internet
1) Paul served as a firearms instructor in both the marines and army
2) Paul is a national shooting champion in several categories including pistol and black powder
3) Paul has actually, unfortunately, had to kill someone in self defense as a civilian. http://www.wallowa.com/20070619/harrell-freed-of-manslaughter-charges-in-troy-shooting
Ak verses an AR....
Trying replacing the bolt in an AK. Best of luck dealing with said rivets and rivet holes to get it headspaced.
Better yet. Try to switch the barrel of an AK to about any wildcat cartridge developed within the last 30 years. Have fun getting the ammo to fit the curvy mag.
Save the headaches and get a First world rifle.
Trying replacing the bolt in an AK. Best of luck dealing with said rivets and rivet holes to get it headspaced.
Better yet. Try to switch the barrel of an AK to about any wildcat cartridge developed within the last 30 years. Have fun getting the ammo to fit the curvy mag.
Save the headaches and get a First world rifle.
I'm sorry but I don't post much as I'm not on a computer very often. With that said, I've, well, I've shot people with a few series of firearms. M16s, CAR15s, and AK47s mainly. As others have said, the 223/5.56 round has come a long way since Vietnam and the AR15/M16 has undergone vast improvements. With all of that said, during the final week of my second tour I was shot by a Cambodian sniper with an AK47. I took the round through the lower part of my colon and it did it's intended damage. I went through my 5th, and hopefully last, colon surgery in 2007. I've seen death, faced it down a few times, caused death, and have seen the end results of both rounds along with various other implements. Usually with a competent shooter either will work okay, usually. I live on 70 acres, mostly wooded, in n.e. Texas and in doing so often encounter feral hogs at one of our lakes. I'm NOT an animal hunter and wouldn't bother them IF they'd leave me/mine alone. Sometimes they will but often times they don't. I have a couple of ARs and such as well as two AK47s. The times that I know I'll have to dispatch a hog are the times I'll go for an AK. It's never failed me, the rifle or the round,and I've always succeeded in two shots or less.
Of course, as the others have said, it all depends on you and your needs. For a law enforcement/personal defense rifle I'd choose an AR. Better balance, better ergonomics, more options. The ARs of today are much more refined than the still rather crude AKs, but it's just what you'd prefer I'd guess.
Hopefully I've not bored yall too much and thanks for your time. Good luck choosing!
Of course, as the others have said, it all depends on you and your needs. For a law enforcement/personal defense rifle I'd choose an AR. Better balance, better ergonomics, more options. The ARs of today are much more refined than the still rather crude AKs, but it's just what you'd prefer I'd guess.
Hopefully I've not bored yall too much and thanks for your time. Good luck choosing!
Depends on what you want from your rifle, there are actually better rifles other than those two for hunting. If you are looking for versatility then the AR is better. If you are looking for more penetration power at closer ranges then AK. Both are fun to shoot, so I couldn't say which is better.
My choice is AR, more because I can make it my own and I have fun building them to just what I want.
My choice is AR, more because I can make it my own and I have fun building them to just what I want.
The 7.62x39 is a capable round. For most scenarios I wouldn't feel under gunned and for protection from animals I'm comfortable with that round. As a hunter and someone who has plastered a lot of varmints, a good 223 load with say a varmint granade bullet, is acceptable for protection from animals. I have yet to hog hunt. I look forward to it. Though I wouldn't think twice about using a stout 22-250 load. Heck my next varmint rifle I want to get a 223 wssm.
Back to ar vs akm...if it wasn't unpopular and in stores, id just go with 25-45 sharps. Its too bad it didn't take off. But I think the rounds to stick with are 5.56x45, 300blk, and 6.5 grendel. Those should cover most needs to a degree.
Back to ar vs akm...if it wasn't unpopular and in stores, id just go with 25-45 sharps. Its too bad it didn't take off. But I think the rounds to stick with are 5.56x45, 300blk, and 6.5 grendel. Those should cover most needs to a degree.
Longhorn1986
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I view my AR as a scalpel & my AK as a machete. Both are very valuable tools in the proper circumstances.
FireInTheWire
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Good thread. I'll be watching this one.Oh silly me, I forgot to use the sarcasm font.
On a serious note, no one has really has asked, and OP didn't say the purpose of said instrument.
Before I went to Parris Island (2004) I was pretty anti AR. Not because I had any real dealings with them but because all I had heard for years was the problems they had in early Vietnam and of course no one I knew had an AR at that time due to the AWB. A few old AKs were around and folks liked them. After spending a few years occasionally playing with one I decided to jump in. I will say the first big gun purchase I made was a SOCOM 16 in a "real" /s caliber. Other Marines were buying AKs and AK74s, SCARs and other rifles.
Now that they are readily available, I love my ARs. They're easy to operate, easy to shoot and more modular than probably any other platform. I have them in a multitude of calibers, each with a purpose. Want to shoot long distance with an AR? I have a 20" that uses 77gr OTM. Close up work? 16" that gets a diet of XM855. Hogs? SBR with 12" barrel and suppressor in 300BLK. Larger caliber? 308 with various length barrels. Or my current build, a 6.5 Creedmoor on a large frame AR.
I also own an AK and a SKS.
Without a reference as to the use of said tool, we are all shooting in the dark. Both are good weapons for their intended uses. Choose the limitations and characteristics you want or need.
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