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  • AustinN4

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    No doubt, but I'm mildly encouraged at how difficult it seems for this issue to gain that much traction. The usual suspects are of course screeching, and louder than usual this time, but a lot more people are sticking by Trump than I would have expected. We'll see.
    Really?? Seems to be gaining more traction every day. Even seeing reports on FOX of R lawmakers against the separation.
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    Republican lawmakers siding with the left? When did that start? If they decided to do their jobs for a change, they may actually get something done. They all seem to be willing to do more crying then actual work.
     

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    Not sure if I heard the announcement correctly, but I believe DHS Secry is going to be on FOX's Dana Perino show in a few minutes.
     

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    Really?? Seems to be gaining more traction every day. Even seeing reports on FOX of R lawmakers against the separation.

    Well, we'll see. Those R lawmakers are generally calling for Congress to change the law, which is exactly what Trump has asked for, but for the most part they aren't demanding it be halted immediately.

    Given the amount of media hysteria this has generated, and the admittedly poor job the White House is doing articulating the issues involved, there just hasn't been the kind of public outcry I would have expected. As compared to, say, the Florida school shooting where they organized nationwide marches seemingly overnight. There have been some elected officials making a stink at some of the detention centers but I'm not seeing anything on the scale of the women's marches or the gun control marches.

    Maybe I'm not looking in the right places, I don't know.
     

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    Obama did the same and it was barely a blip on the radar. Trump does it and the whole world is comparing him to Nazi Germany.

    The good news is, lots of press coverage this time. Perhaps folks looking to head North will now have second thoughts when they hear what will happen when they cross illegally.

    If only Obama had advertised better, we might have stemmed the flow sooner.
     

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    Eye-popping surge of illegal immigrants abducting children
    Children 'abducted' by illegals hoping to pose as families at U.S. border

    The government warned federal judges in 2016 that their attempts to create a catch-and-release policy for illegal immigrant families would lead to children being “abducted” by migrants hoping to pose as families to take advantage.

    The court brushed aside those worries and imposed catch-and-release anyway.

    Two years later, children are indeed being kidnapped or borrowed by illegal immigrants trying to pose as families, according to Homeland Security numbers, which show the U.S. is on pace for more than 400 such attempts this year. That would be a staggering 900 percent increase over 2017’s total.

    More at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/22/children-abducted-illegals-posing-families-us-bord/
     

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    "Protecting Our Border Does Not Make Us Nazis"
    COMMENTARY By Steve Cortes. June 19, 2018
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...our_border_does_not_make_us_nazis_137310.html

    "Good news abounds lately for America. Jobs numbers continue to soar and, per a new CNN poll, Americans have grown more confident in the direction of the country than at any time in a decade. Not surprisingly, President Trump’s job approval ratings also are on the rise, particularly among independents. In spite of these successes – or perhaps because of them – the president’s critics continue to direct the most extreme possible language at him, invective that reached full-scale apoplexy regarding our country’s border policies.

    "The lawful separation of children from illegal immigrants who cross our border without permission has elicited a cacophony of wildly hyperbolic condemnations, and not only from the rabidly anti-Trump quarters of the left and the mainstream media. Former first lady Laura Bush wrote that border enforcement is “cruel” and “immoral” and reminiscent of World War II Japanese internment camps. Never mind the misery that her husband’s administration brought to innocent children in far-flung war zones.

    "Speaking of those wars, George W. Bush’s CIA director, Michael Hayden, took the criticism of U.S. law enforcement to a whole new level, tweeting out a picture of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp with the text: “Other governments have separated mothers and children.” This illogical and offensive comparison fails on every level and it insults the memory of those slain in those horror chambers, and the few who survived. Hayden should apologize to the heroic troops of the “Greatest Generation” who fought and died to extinguish the evil Nazi regime that created those camps. What kind of American scorns the brave men and women of Homeland Security by equating them with the fascist monsters of the SS?

    "In point of fact, the Nazis’ conduct was the opposite of America’s today. The Third Reich declared that German citizens who happened to be Jewish were no longer citizens (and not even human). In contrast, the United States seeks to protect our citizens, of any faith, color or ethnicity, by controlling our border, just as parents protect their family by locking their doors at night. Regarding borders, Hayden should realize that the Axis powers transgressed borders across the world in violent conquest, while we simply seek to maintain our lawful demarcation.

    "While such deranged rhetoric is singularly unhelpful, as a country of immigrants with a big heart, we should pursue the smartest policies to deter such unlawful criminal entries that compel family separation. The most obvious measure is to fulfill the central promise of Donald Trump’s 2016 election and build the wall, thus creating controlled entry points. At such checkpoints anyone can already request asylum and avoid family separation if their claim has merit. The vast majority of recent asylum applicants travel from Central America all the way through Mexico to the U.S. border, rather than requesting asylum in nearby Mexico, which suggests that these are really economic migrants rather than people fleeing targeted governmental persecution in their homeland.

    "Regarding asylum, a sensible reform that Congress should consider would be allowing non-Americans to apply in their home countries via embassies and consulates instead of only on U.S. soil. But the idea pushed by Trump critics that any adult who breaks into our country with children in tow (who may not even by theirs) should be allowed into the country without any charges being filed against them actually endangers children all the more by effectively making them “tickets” to gain U.S. entry.

    "Far from anti-immigrant, the United States remains an incredibly hospitable country to newcomers. With just 4 percent of world’s population, America boasts one-fifth of the total number of global immigrants. These new Americans bring us cultural vibrancy and economic vigor. We owe those many legal immigrants a just system of border control.

    "We are not Nazis. Controlling who enters our country is not racist, mean-spirited, or xenophobic. After decades of permitting a dangerous and porous border, we have a man in the White House showing what real leadership looks like. This administration is merely demanding that we address the border crisis with smarts as well as compassion. As Trump has shown on so many issues, his first priority will not be to please the borderless predilections of the globalist Davos elites, but rather the safety and prosperity of the American citizens he serves."

    Steve Cortes is a contributor to RealClearPolitics and a CNN political commentator. His Twitter handle is @CortesSteve.
     

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    Looks like Trump went back to an executive order that these families not be separated. I'm confused as to what this means and why he did it. Can anybody shed some more light on this? I admit it doesn't seem to make sense to me - I would rather Congress put something like the Cruz bill on the table and let the Dem's go on record opposing it, and them hammer the living hell out of them for not wanting to fix the problem. But I don't know.
     

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    Looks like Trump went back to an executive order that these families not be separated. I'm confused as to what this means and why he did it. Can anybody shed some more light on this? I admit it doesn't seem to make sense to me - I would rather Congress put something like the Cruz bill on the table and let the Dem's go on record opposing it, and them hammer the living hell out of them for not wanting to fix the problem. But I don't know.
    I'll offer my thoughts.
    Trump didn't make this mess, he pushed to enforce the laws on the books. (Like many prior presidents didn't).
    Now that the public has become aware, he does what's right and decent. Not a political move, a righteous move.

    If Cruz can get a decent "America first" bill passed, I figure it'll be signed pronto.
    If not, the games on the hill continue and the main street bitching dies out.

    TRUMP!
     

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    Schumer already stated today: "Any bill on immigration that the Republicans put up will not get ANY consideration by Demoncraps!". Sounds like the traitorous turds don't WANT a solution!
     

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    The Demoncrap plan is pretty simple, flood this country with illegals, get as many of them as they can to get drivers licenses (Kalifonia has "motor voter" law, you got a driver license, you can VOTE in their elections) and then they vote for Demoncraps! Why Hispanics vote for them is no secret, Demoncraps keep the freebies coming! I'm afraid it's gonna take a shooting civil war for us to keep this country!
     

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    Eye-popping surge of illegal immigrants abducting children
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    Children 'abducted' by illegals hoping to pose as families at U.S. border
    By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Tuesday, May 22, 2018

    "The government warned federal judges in 2016 that their attempts to create a catch-and-release policy for illegal immigrant families would lead to children being “abducted” by migrants hoping to pose as families to take advantage.

    "The court brushed aside those worries and imposed catch-and-release anyway.

    "Two years later, children are indeed being kidnapped or borrowed by illegal immigrants trying to pose as families, according to Homeland Security numbers, which show the U.S. is on pace for more than 400 such attempts this year. That would be a staggering 900 percent increase over 2017’s total."

    More at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/22/children-abducted-illegals-posing-families-us-bord/
     

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    DT capitulated to the left pure and simple. We are a nation of laws..........we sometimes want to enforce. Hey someone pass me a joint, for medicinal of course.

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