Knife quality vs price.

Moonpie · Jun 21, 2018

easy rider said:
Sorry, been a few threads about knives lately, getting confused which is which. This is the knife I carry:

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Nice looking knife.

easy rider · Jun 21, 2018

TxStetson said:
Looks like a stock internet photo to me.

Mine doesn't look any different, saved me taking a picture, downloading and uploading it.

stdreb27 · Jun 21, 2018

TxStetson said:
Looks like a stock internet photo to me.

Lol.

easy rider · Jun 21, 2018

Moonpie said:
Nice looking knife.

I have a couple fixed blade knives I like, but honestly, that folding knife has been the best one I've owned that meets all my needs for an EDC knife.

MikePotts · Jun 21, 2018

I don't really know, or care to know, anything about the various blade steels. I just take the best advice I can on 'bladeforums' or similar sites and act accordingly within my price point.

If you think gun guys are into nitpicking & minutae then you really should visit 'bladeforums' - makes us look almost sane!...........then try 'candlepower' forum and see the real crazies!

easy rider · Jun 21, 2018

To each their own. I'll give advice on what works for me, it's up to the individual to take it or not. I'm not a collector much anymore, but I do have some knowledge of metals.

Byrd666 · Jun 21, 2018

I actually looked into that knife a bit.

grasshopperglock · Jun 21, 2018

Nice knife. I'd own one.

https://zt.kaiusaltd.com/knives/knife/zt0770cf

Details about the steel.

In 2009, Crucible Steel introduced an update to CPM-S30V to meet the needs of renowned knife maker Chris Reeve that they called CPM-S35VN. The addition of 0.5% Niobium, and reductions in both Carbon from (1.45% to 1.40%) and Vanadium (from 4% to 3%) produced an alloy with 25% increase in measured Charpy V-notch toughness over S30V (Crucible claims 15-20% improvement). Working chefs and outdoor survivalists laud the improved toughness of S35VN, which greatly reduces the micro-bevel chipping that tends to plague S30V in rough use. In these kinds of applications the obvious benefit of quick honing of an S35VN blade with a strop or steel stick in lieu of needing to remove metal and reform the edge puts S35VN at an advantage over S30V. In light use, edge-holding and stainless properties between S35VN versus S30V are thought to be roughly the same, and performance will often be affected nearly as much by the applied heat treatment, blade design, and the edge geometry as the differences in metal chemistry.

easy rider · Jun 21, 2018

grasshopperglock said:
Nice knife. I'd own one.

https://zt.kaiusaltd.com/knives/knife/zt0770cf

Details about the steel.

In 2009, Crucible Steel introduced an update to CPM-S30V to meet the needs of renowned knife maker Chris Reeve that they called CPM-S35VN. The addition of 0.5% Niobium, and reductions in both Carbon from (1.45% to 1.40%) and Vanadium (from 4% to 3%) produced an alloy with 25% increase in measured Charpy V-notch toughness over S30V (Crucible claims 15-20% improvement). Working chefs and outdoor survivalists laud the improved toughness of S35VN, which greatly reduces the micro-bevel chipping that tends to plague S30V in rough use. In these kinds of applications the obvious benefit of quick honing of an S35VN blade with a strop or steel stick in lieu of needing to remove metal and reform the edge puts S35VN at an advantage over S30V. In light use, edge-holding and stainless properties between S35VN versus S30V are thought to be roughly the same, and performance will often be affected nearly as much by the applied heat treatment, blade design, and the edge geometry as the differences in metal chemistry.

To be honest I didn't know much about ZT, at the time, other than they were a high end Kershaw. When I was looking for a new knife I was amazed at how light and easy it opened. I did know enough that they were a high carbon alloyed steel and that was important in my decision. It was on the expensive side, but I was tired of dealing with a knife that was heavy in the pocket and often hard to open quickly.

stdreb27 · Jun 21, 2018

easy rider said:
To be honest I didn't know much about ZT, at the time, other than they were a high end Kershaw. When I was looking for a new knife I was amazed at how light and easy it opened. I did know enough that they were a high carbon alloyed steel and that was important in my decision. It was on the expensive side, but I was tired of dealing with a knife that was heavy in the pocket and often hard to open quickly.

IMO a ZT is about the best production folder you can buy.

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tbark44 · Jun 27, 2018

Knives are my thing ,I make em an can tell you D-2 or 440-C is 2 of the best imo there is only 1 molicule of chromium difference in 440-C an ATS-34 , i prefer 440- because you can mirror finish it . Ats cannot be without having an orange peel effect , I harden my knives to a finished hardness of 58 , i used to make em 60. but they were too hard to sharpen for the average guy , diamond is the best way to sharpen them by hand a brand new 220 grit belt slack area is how i put an edge on mine . it will slice thru cloth an just shave hair an hold that edge a long time .

Ole Cowboy · Jun 27, 2018

tbark44 said:
Knives are my thing ,I make em an can tell you D-2 or 440-C is 2 of the best imo there is only 1 molicule of chromium difference in 440-C an ATS-34 , i prefer 440- because you can mirror finish it . Ats cannot be without having an orange peel effect , I harden my knives to a finished hardness of 58 , i used to make em 60. but they were too hard to sharpen for the average guy , diamond is the best way to sharpen them by hand a brand new 220 grit belt slack area is how i put an edge on mine . it will slice thru cloth an just shave hair an hold that edge a long time .

Unless its fixed blade hunter, I sharpen them till I cut the tops off my fingerprints, just the tops...

RoadRunner · Jun 27, 2018

tbark44 said:
Knives are my thing ,I make em an can tell you D-2 or 440-C is 2 of the best imo there is only 1 molicule of chromium difference in 440-C an ATS-34 , i prefer 440- because you can mirror finish it . Ats cannot be without having an orange peel effect , I harden my knives to a finished hardness of 58 , i used to make em 60. but they were too hard to sharpen for the average guy , diamond is the best way to sharpen them by hand a brand new 220 grit belt slack area is how i put an edge on mine . it will slice thru cloth an just shave hair an hold that edge a long time .

When I was making knives I used 440C and ATS34 and I had no problem putting a mirror finish on ATS34.

tbark44 · Jun 28, 2018

roadrunner said:
When I was making knives I used 440C and ATS34 and I had no problem putting a mirror finish on ATS34.

didnt say you couldnt mirror finish it , said it orange peels when you do , if you got some that didnt its something ive never seen , an i have built thousands of blades in 33 yrs t

tbark44 · Jun 28, 2018

Ole Cowboy said:
Unless its fixed blade hunter, I sharpen them till I cut the tops off my fingerprints, just the tops...

I also make straight razors , they dont stop there hehehe

stdreb27 · Jun 28, 2018

tbark44 said:
I also make straight razors , they dont stop there hehehe

I want to see some pictures!

I used to. Well still do, but I’m just cleaning up around the edges now, shave with s straight.

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grasshopperglock · Jun 28, 2018

tbark44 said:
I also make straight razors , they dont stop there hehehe

I've made a couple of straight razors. Also had some vintage ones. Finished the blade on one. It didn't have a handle at that time. I decided to try it out anyway. Started shaving in the shower. Very carefully. Until I dropped it on my foot. I only felt the thump. Looked down and the bathtub was turning lots of red. The razor landed perfectly between two toes. It was sharp enough it didn't hurt.

I'd like to see pictures of what you made too. Get me some flashbacks of me almost cutting a toe off.

stdreb27 · Jun 28, 2018

grasshopperglock said:
I've made a couple of straight razors. Also had some vintage ones. Finished the blade on one. It didn't have a handle at that time. I decided to try it out anyway. Started shaving in the shower. Very carefully. Until I dropped it on my foot. I only felt the thump. Looked down and the bathtub was turning lots of red. The razor landed perfectly between two toes. It was sharp enough it didn't hurt.

I'd like to see pictures of what you made too. Get me some flashbacks of me almost cutting a toe off.

Lol. I like sharp stuff.

The 2 worst slices. Were when I was shaving. When I first started I decided I’d be slick and wipe the razor off with my thumb. Like the barber.

Yeah. Never again.

Fast forward till last month. Ehhh I can do it. I almost did the ER that time.

tbark44 · Jun 28, 2018

stdreb27 said:
I want to see some pictures!

I used to. Well still do, but I’m just cleaning up around the edges now, shave with s straight.

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Here is some of what i build the razor is called a corn razor about 1/2 size with ivory handles the 2 blade is a slip-joint an the swinguard is a switchblade dual-action

Ole Cowboy · Jun 28, 2018

tbark44 said:
Here is some of what i build the razor is called a corn razor about 1/2 size with ivory handles the 2 blade is a slip-joint an the swinguard is a switchblade dual-action

I went to your website and you really have some nice stuff. I did not see a lot of fixed blades on your site?

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