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    Looks like the above arrest video was taken down
    I didn't get a chance to see it. Who was behind the camera?

    ETA - I only ask because there are at least a couple of ways to recover deleted YT videos. I've tried the ones I know and they don't work in this case. At this point, I'm just wondering if it's possible to identify the channel and ask the original poster to put it up again.
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    I didn't get a chance to see it. Who was behind the camera?

    ETA - I only ask because there are at least a couple of ways to recover deleted YT videos. I've tried the ones I know and they don't work in this case. At this point, I'm just wondering if it's possible to identify the channel and ask the original poster to put it up again.

    Someone was able to mirror it. I've read that the video was not deleted it may have just been set to private. I suppose it's possible the PD knew they could be held liable for deleting the video, but just making it private could be safe for them.

    Skip to about 17min.
     

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    Someone was able to mirror it. I've read that the video was not deleted it may have just been set to private. I suppose it's possible the PD knew they could be held liable for deleting the video, but just making it private could be safe for them.

    Skip to about 17min.


    "You ALL are under arrest!" Then he calls someone a witness. Can you arrest a witness?
     

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    Video by the guy who took the original video of the arrest that was taken down and since mirrored. He confirms that he did not remove the video and it was indeed deleted. He was detained for hours and then cut loose without charges, his dad was charged with resisting arrest held overnight and the magistrate dropped the charges and cut him loose too.

     

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    I can't see how this is going to turn out good for the PD there.
    It won't. It'll take years to shake out in the courts but it won't turn out well for that PD.

    By then, of course, the chief will be retired, a new city council will plead ignorance, and the monetary awards will come right out of the pockets of the local taxpayers.

    I'm just wondering if the internet will leave them alone. They're clearly already scared of things they've read on computer screens because they're not accustomed to that sort of attention. That crap about (paraphrasing) "You're responsible for everything posted on your stream where there have been threats" as justification for arrests is so incredibly wrong in so many ways it beggars belief.

    Those words could only be uttered by a man so afraid of what he doesn't understand that all reason has abandoned his mind. Yeah, that happens to folks and it always turns out badly. For normal people, we just hope they come to their senses and make amends and everyone goes home. Unfortunately, that can't happen in this case because the person who has lost their reason carries a badge and gun. Worse, in this case that person is in charge of everyone else carrying a badge and gun.

    But back to the internet - If those officers are actually willing to go along with "arrest everybody in sight, even those folks across the street", if they're willing to go along with calling a fake news conference solely for the purpose of arresting everyone in sight, how will they react if one of the online groups (like 4Chan used to be) decides to go after them? The doxxing, the redirected phone calls, the DDOS attacks, the ransomware attacks...there's a near limitless number of options that can be exercised to attack that city, that PD, and every individual officer IF any barely organized group decides to take up the cause. Heck, one activist with the right contacts and a little money paid to those folks could ruin lives and cost that city millions.

    Clearly, that Chief was scared out of his mind. I sincerely doubt he has any idea what sort of truly awful stuff he's just invited to happen to him, his officers, and his city.

    The city might be able to dodge a bullet if they fire him immediately and issue a whole bunch of seriously kiss-ass apologies. At this stage, though, even that might not be enough.
     

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    So, can anyone point to the comments the officers were referencing as a “death threat”?
    I assume it's somewhere in here but there's no way I'm going to sit through and read every single one of those comments.



    I'm downloading it but, unfortunately, the livestream comments don't come with the downloaded video file. If I truly want to mirror it, I'm going to have to screencap it. Oh, boy, what a pain.

    I suggest that if anybody really wants to see what got those officers so upset, one person could do the entire community a great service by finding a way to preserve the livestream comments.

    In the meantime, I'll try to think of something a little more efficient.
     

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    It won't. It'll take years to shake out in the courts but it won't turn out well for that PD.

    By then, of course, the chief will be retired, a new city council will plead ignorance, and the monetary awards will come right out of the pockets of the local taxpayers.

    Directed at all, but your post has me thinking..


    Can individual officers be charged or taken to court or punished individually in some way?
     

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    I assume it's somewhere in here but there's no way I'm going to sit through and read every single one of those comments.



    I'm downloading it but, unfortunately, the livestream comments don't come with the downloaded video file. If I truly want to mirror it, I'm going to have to screencap it. Oh, boy, what a pain.

    I suggest that if anybody really wants to see what got those officers so upset, one person could do the entire community a great service by finding a way to preserve the livestream comments.

    In the meantime, I'll try to think of something a little more efficient.

    I'm getting 'video unavailable'. Nevermind, it's on Youtube.
     

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    Directed at all, but your post has me thinking..


    Can individual officers be charged or taken to court or punished individually in some way?

    If a court decides the officer's actions were violating a "clearly established" constitutional right then their qualified immunity could be stripped and the officers held responsible in their individual capacity.

    One of the people associated with the group is Phillip Turner, thanks to a lawsuit by him against a another department filming the police is now a "clearly established" right. Turner v. Driver

    I think it is very likely that a court will rule that the actions of the Chief and his officers in confiscating cameras from people who committed no crime was not truly to gather evidence but rather to suppress their 1st amendment rights. That could make them liable in their personal capacity.
     

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    Can individual officers be charged or taken to court or punished individually in some way?
    For any malfeasance? Of course.

    They keep screwin around enforcing their own rules and they are libel to get a visit from the Texas Rangers. At the very least a word from the County Judge. NEITHER of which you want.

    Disclaimer: Ex-City Councilman and Firefighter. Im NOT a LEO and would defer to any LEO here as they will know EXACTLY where that line is.
     

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    Well, they are supposed to know where that line is. Apparently some, not all, do not or do not care. Or are so afraid of losing their jobs that they are willing to follow unlawful orders.

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    I assume it's somewhere in here but there's no way I'm going to sit through and read every single one of those comments.



    I'm downloading it but, unfortunately, the livestream comments don't come with the downloaded video file. If I truly want to mirror it, I'm going to have to screencap it. Oh, boy, what a pain.

    I suggest that if anybody really wants to see what got those officers so upset, one person could do the entire community a great service by finding a way to preserve the livestream comments.

    In the meantime, I'll try to think of something a little more efficient.

    I can tell you that other than derogatory remarks and a couple racial slurs there wasn't any private information of the police given on that video and texts.
     
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    I can tell you that other than derogatory remarks and a couple racial slurs there wasn't any private information of the police given on that video and texts.
    The chief, when ordering the mass arrests, made no remarks about private information. He said there were "threats".

    I hopped around in the comments at random and saw a couple of things that, if you're really paranoid or just looking for an excuse to make an arrest, could be interpreted as "threatening." I saw no explicit threats.

    Of course, I may be looking at the wrong video. The chief wasn't really providing precise information during the round-up so the video I referenced was just my best guess.
     

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    ... your post has me thinking... Can individual officers be ... punished individually in some way?
    I won't address any legal avenues for that. My post was about the extra-legal options available to people who decide to attack that particular chief, department, officers, and/or city.

    I can't imagine they'll get out of this without being thoroughly doxxed. That's a minimum and with it will come calls, letters, and emails filled with threats, abuse, and ridicule.

    Along that line, he has without question exposed his family (and possibly all the families of anyone who works in that department) to public ridicule. Does he have kids in high school? If he does, there will be any number of other kids who will consistently remark "Man, you're dad's a real asshole!" High school kids can probably take that but what if his kids or grandkids are in grammar school? Parents who publicly do things this stupid make problems for their kids and spouses.

    Does he have a neighbor or is there a business near the PD that will put up a sign with a big arrow that says "Local Nazi Party Leader lives here" or "Local Nazi Party HQ two blocks ahead, on left"?

    People have been driven to suicide by exterior pressures. I wouldn't expect the chief to understand this fully (actually, it's clear he doesn't have a clue) but if he has a 13-year-old daughter, her social media may soon become a nightmare for her.

    It's possible that none of this stuff or anything like it will come to pass. Experience shows, however, that punishment can come from lots of places and there always seems to be someone willing to dish it out. If I were a betting man, I'd lay odds that this chief won't take it very well.
     

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    After the first protest and mass arrest/confiscation on Mon 6/18. There was a city hall meeting on Tue 6/19 there were a few people who went to record that city hall meeting to see what it was about, ended up being a typical boring city hall meeting. Here is a clip of how the Chief of Police was acting.

     

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    What an embarrassment to that little city! He didn’t like being video recorded one bit. I hope all the folks that were wrongly arrested and had their personal property confiscated and Rights denied them are able to glean some kind of monetary compensation from the city and/or directly from the policemen involved.
     

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    The chief, when ordering the mass arrests, made no remarks about private information. He said there were "threats".

    I hopped around in the comments at random and saw a couple of things that, if you're really paranoid or just looking for an excuse to make an arrest, could be interpreted as "threatening." I saw no explicit threats.

    Of course, I may be looking at the wrong video. The chief wasn't really providing precise information during the round-up so the video I referenced was just my best guess.
    I guess the high crime of being politically incorrect could be applied. I had heard mention of addresses being given out, but then given the chief's track record I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in that either.
     
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