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  • AustinN4

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    Well, time for me to get into this.........
    A Gen 1 M&P 9 FS had been my go to for quite a few years. It has been easy to shot and pointed naturally in my hand. But I have transitioned to a P320C and am going to get a FS-RX X-Change kit (complete upper) for it with the integrated red dot.
     
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    Recon2018

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    I'll make two arguments.

    Suppressor ready full size 9mm.

    To me this means can be fired as well as a full size weapon, same firepower accuracy and control-ability under rapid fire and mid-long range accuracy FOR A HANDGUN!

    G19 GEN 5 and VP9.

    THE GLOCK 19 for my intents and purposes is not compact because it handles like a full size in my hand and fires just like one for me. I consider compact when a pistol is small enough to affect my performance or comfort. I actually grip my G19 better than my G34, and I have big hands.

    My explanation; I've owned 1911s, Sig226, G19s (multiple gens), G34, VP9, USP, Sigp320 etc.

    The G19 Gen 5 is as accurate as my G34 (I even shoot it just as accurately), it conceals easily even with tight fitting clothes. The trigger on the Gen 5 is noticeably nicer than the Gen 4 in my opinion, and I am able to fire 2-3 round bursts (in much less than a second) on a silhouette at 15-25 yards with no misses all center of mass hits at speed.

    Gen5 grip and trigger are highly improved for me. Hated finger grooves. Gen5 is a big difference for me as I refuse to modify a carry gun.

    It has the same capacity or more than most competitors.

    Sacrifice nothing for firepower, get a full grip on the thing, low recoil, low weight. G19 is great. Also, shorter barrel means FAST presentation from a holster. This means better chance of survival in an actual situation you might use one.

    Also, G19s are easily supressor capable, and cycle well with everything.

    VP9
    Like glock 19 but pros cons: Better trigger, less concealable (longer), same round count, same accuracy, cycles EVERY type of round both supressed and unsupressed. Feels a bit "smoother" in firing probably due to ergos. I am however just as fast with both from a draw and putting rounds on target.

    Comes sprung perfectly for supressed use (even without tactical model) and I am sure the PPQ will give a similar feel. Shoots so smooth supressed..great sights...great trigger...VP9 is my go-to supressed pistol.

    Mention about comparables:
    Other crap like SigP320 *TACTICAL* That I owned came supposedly supressor ready, yet did not function with my can on them using multiple types of ammunition. Unacceptable. Plus, SIG doesn't have the plethora of troubleshooting info out there that glock does. Is it unfair to critisize sig for not having as robust a customer base customizing its guns as glock? Sure, but knowing that SIG should have made the stupid thing work supressed with 158grain bullets if it comes with a threaded barrel.

    Everything else is metal and heavy and thus annoying to carry and likely a bit slower on target, longer. They may shoot and feel amazing but are they the optimal pick for combat, the ultimate test of a weapon? Probably not optimal. Although they will all likely get the job done; pistols are just pistols.

    **Competition guns**
    People in competition are shooting standing still, from "behind barricades" with half their body still exposed, it's just un-realistic. If bullets really started flying your ass would be 92% hidden with just an eyeball and a sight-picture coming around the corner to shoot at a bad guy, likely with an arm half extended, looking like a contortionist, or sitting back pieing the wall if you don't have concerns about side threats. They are playing a game. They have heavy pistols that would make no sense to carry because at that point you might as well carry an AR-15 SBR or Pistol and be able to engage targets reliably for hundreds of yards. They keep all of this weight for the ability to shave tenths, or HUNDREDTHS off their times. It's a huge sacrifice and for a combat side-arm is not optimal. But if you can't get a long-gun and need to have the best pistol possible, I guess a competition gun could be practical, though you are paying a ton (3-5k min.) for a heavy gun to shoot slightly faster round to round, when if a guy draws a glock 19 and gets 1 semi-accurate shot off faster than you, he wins and you lose.

    hence why I personally believe a simple, lightweight, FAST drawing, decent enough trigger, high capacity, accurate enough, ergonomic enough to not get controls hung up on clothing/things around you, handgun is the optimal combat handgun. If it's hard to hit with a g19 and you could hit it with a competition pistol, you shouldn't be shooting at it anyways as you are too far away. If they are moving fast your chances of hitting them are so bad at that range you should probably save your rounds and maneuver.
     
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    Darqhelmet

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    I have a CZ SP-01 Suppressor ready, 92FS, and Sig p226 mk25. My favorite is the Beretta by far, followed by the CZ and then the Sig. Threaded Barrels are easy to get for all of the pistols.

    Now that being said the Beretta has some issues. If you are looking at jumping into that family of pistols, you are looking at M9A3 or one of the Brigadier's. You will need to go that route so you can change the front sights so you can see over the can. But the 92 series pistols feel amazing in my hand, they are easy to shoot well, and have great fit and finish. Beretta has also made it easy to convert to Type G. Which I would suggest everyone does. You will not get a red dot on this family of pistols.


    The CZ is ready to go out of the box if you get the suppressor ready. Sights and Barrel ready to go. It also feels great in the hand, is easy to shoot, and accurate. It does not feel as smooth as the Beretta, its finish is not going to be as nice, and the trigger is going to need to be stoned or your are putting rounds down range to smooth it out. I have seen red dots on the 75 family, but I haven't reached out to Cajun Gun Works about the cost and if I can keep irons.


    The Sig 226, well it costs the most and I like it the least. I have only a couple 100 rounds through it and am not impressed. Its top heavy, parts are expensive, trigger is great, controls are easy to hit and the gun hits what you point at.. It also seems to be the easiest one to setup for a red dot if that is something you want.
     

    Pete

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    I have an itch I need scratched. I have been researching and trying to find a suppressor ready full size handgun. I know everyone is going to say try before you buy and I will but I want to run some research by you. At the top of nearly every 9mm test comes the CZ SP01. They all trickle down from there with FNX9, Springfield XDM, Glock 17, Beretta 92FS, Walther P99AS and PPQ, couple Sigs...some throw HK VP9 on there depending on age of test (and who's testing). The ones that seemed to make basically every list were the SA XDM, CZ SP01 and FNX9. I know we have some members that have fired everything but I am mostly interested in those 3 unless you have a great story or argument for a different model.

    I like the Beretta 92 series.
     

    Sam7sf

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    Keep in mind any gun can be suppressor ready as in it has a threaded barrel. Where suppressor manufacturers or retailers get you is most use a piston (its not really a piston) attachment in order for a semi auto pistol to function.

    Does not apply to 22lr/blowback type.
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    Keep in mind any gun can be suppressor ready as in it has a threaded barrel. Where suppressor manufacturers or retailers get you is most use a piston (its not really a piston) attachment in order for a semi auto pistol to function.

    Does not apply to 22lr/blowback type.

    To me, suppressor ready means suppressor height sights included.
     

    diesel1959

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    Keep in mind any gun can be suppressor ready as in it has a threaded barrel. Where suppressor manufacturers or retailers get you is most use a piston (its not really a piston) attachment in order for a semi auto pistol to function.

    Does not apply to 22lr/blowback type.
    The Nielson device isn't part of the pistol, it's part of the suppressor. It has nothing to do with a pistol being "suppressor-ready".

    EDIT: XR nailed it already. But I would add that one might expect that the manufacturer had beefed up the recoil spring in a "suppressor-ready" pistol.
     

    Sam7sf

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    I have the hybrid46 and for the price I paid its like come on include the piston housing.
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    The Nielson device isn't part of the pistol, it's part of the suppressor. It has nothing to do with a pistol being "suppressor-ready".

    EDIT: XR nailed it already. But I would add that one might expect that the manufacturer had beefed up the recoil spring in a "suppressor-ready" pistol.

    I mentioned before that my PPQ Navy came with 2 springs.
    For with or without suppressor.
    First time I'd seen it.
     
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