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  • pharmaco

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    That "tool" goes way back: I personally saw a Houston cop use one on a "suspect" way back when (1968), so Maglites were probably used as a "persuader" since they first came out. ;-)
    Yep, the 1960s -- those were the days...
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    I've read some highly entertaining stuff about the Park Place Rangers.

    Take the blue pill or the red pill from your Pharma Co. And get back to me.
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    Which one turns me into an anime ninja?
     

    sharkey

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    Which one turns me into an anime ninja?

    Dunno, I don't work for a Pharma Co.
    Sorry, I guess I missed where you answered the OP with a relevant answer.
    So what is your Plan A? I just assume you sell the Plan B.

    Just for you, I shall take the short staff tonight for the dog walk. I'm no Morgan but I can do ok. If that were to fail, the Kahr will come out.
     

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    Given that the wife is not interested in carrying a handgun, plan B becomes plan A. Any pepper spray recommendations?

    Red Sabre seems to be the du jour of choice now. Better than nothing. Will she carry a folding knife and would she use it? I tell a lot of folks that carrying one in your hand in a parking lot or a sketchy place rarely draws attention and is immediately available.
     

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    Red Sabre seems to be the du jour of choice now. Better than nothing. Will she carry a folding knife and would she use it? I tell a lot of folks that carrying one in your hand in a parking lot or a sketchy place rarely draws attention and is immediately available.
    Thanks Sharkey. Given her health issues, Pepper spray is best option. I'll try Academy and see if they carry it
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Thanks Sharkey. Given her health issues, Pepper spray is best option. I'll try Academy and see if they carry it

    Gel spray may be a better choice as air movement plays a factor once the spray aerosol is let from the canister.

    Bear spray and/or oven cleaner can be just as or more effective.

    Lastly, practicing deployment is imperative, as is spraying in various wind conditions.
     

    pharmaco

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    Dunno, I don't work for a Pharma Co.
    Sorry, I guess I missed where you answered the OP with a relevant answer.
    So what is your Plan A? I just assume you sell the Plan B.

    Just for you, I shall take the short staff tonight for the dog walk. I'm no Morgan but I can do ok. If that were to fail, the Kahr will come out.
    Sorry, you're right; I didn't answer the question.

    Waitaminnut: you didn't either.
    The thread is asking for "less lethal" options, and you're posting about your Gecko45 loadout.
    Batons and wooden ninja swords are absolutely lethal weapons, and they're lethal to carry in Texas unless a leo or an on-the-clock security type.

    Sorry, I just get itchy when people promote criminal activity.

    I think I've got a pill for that. LOL
     
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    Sorry, you're right; I didn't answer the question.

    Waitaminnut: you didn't either.
    The thread is asking for "less lethal" options, and you're posting about your Gecko45 loadout.
    Batons and wooden ninja swords are absolutely lethal weapons, and they're lethal to carry in Texas unless a leo or an on-the-clock security type.

    Sorry, I just get itchy when people promote criminal activity.

    I think I've got a pill for that. LOL
    Dude you really need to stop testing your product. If you can't see how I answered the OP in my post, well than you are a maroon. Psst, empty hand is less lethal.

    But hey, we both agree you didn't answer the OP so there is that.

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    ZX9RCAM

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    Dude you really need to stop testing your product. If you can't see how I answered the OP in my post, well than you are a maroon. Psst, empty hand is less lethal.

    But hey, we both agree you didn't answer the OP so there is that.

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    Unless you're Chuck Norris....
     

    seeker_two

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    That place east of Waco....
    Gel spray may be a better choice as air movement plays a factor once the spray aerosol is let from the canister.

    Bear spray and/or oven cleaner can be just as or more effective.

    Lastly, practicing deployment is imperative, as is spraying in various wind conditions.
    Second for the pepper gel suggestion. I carry gel because my asthma doesn't like the blowback from spray. Gel might take longer to work, so I've heard.

    As for bear spray (too bulky for carry) and oven cleaner (not reliable), I'd pass.

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    pharmaco

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    If your going to use Chuck as an example please do so with the 20 years ago disclaimer. Now he can only get his leg up 4" :)

    What's wrong with only being able to get up 4" ?!?

    :roflfunny:
    Second for the pepper gel suggestion. I carry gel because my asthma doesn't like the blowback from spray. Gel might take longer to work, so I've heard.

    As for bear spray (too bulky for carry) and oven cleaner (not reliable), I'd pass.

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    Would oven cleaner be an "unlawful chemical dispenser" if used for self defense?

    Dude you really need to stop testing your product. If you can't see how I answered the OP in my post, well than you are a maroon. Psst, empty hand is less lethal.
    But hey, we both agree you didn't answer the OP so there is that.
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    If only I'd been raised by a ninja master instead of having a champion judoka/jujutsu guy for a dad.

    I guess my plan B is being 6'3" and throwing pocket sand in the assailant's eyes
     
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    Would oven cleaner be an "unlawful chemical dispenser" if used for self defense?

    I’m not a lawyer; Texas Penal Code section 46.01 defines Chemical dispensing device" means a device, other than a small chemical dispenser sold commercially for personal protection, that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of dispensing a substance capable of causing an adverse psychological or physiological effect on a human being.

    Outside the home, oven cleaner may be questionable and require justification.
     

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    What's wrong with only being able to get up 4" ?!?



    If only I'd been raised by a ninja master instead of having a champion judoka/jujutsu guy for a dad.

    I guess my plan B is being 6'3" and throwing pocket sand in the assailant's eyes

    Don't they sell enlargement pills online?
    Let me guess, you weren't hugged enough as a child?
    Maybe your Plan B will work, maybe not.

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    Shoot 'em! Help them get their miserable lives over with. Less the rest of us will have to worry about. Puts them out of their poverty issue.
    And the only story the jury has .............. is yours! :green:

    Charlie, you're more right than you know.

    They plan to kill you if they have to. That's a fact. The criminal that is a real threat to you hasn't just that day become a gun or knife wielding thug, he's been a while in the making. It's a series of steps to the would be killer street thug, and he's already been in jail for minor offenses and each arrest stepping up in scale. The night he pulls a gun to car jack or rob you with, he's been years in the making.

    As a one time teen gang member in Washington D.C. I can say that less than lethal is a farce. Even more, it's a mind set that will get you killed. It's all going to be over in a few seconds, you don't have time to fool around with pepper sprays and tactical pens, and other nonsense. When you see his hand in the hoodie pocket, there's a gun or knife there already in his hand, and it's going to all over in an instant. It's already in his hand in that pocket. You need to be faster with yours than he is with his. Wasting time with some non lethal junk is going to get you dead right there on the street.

    First weapon in self defense is situational awareness. That's plan A. Plan B is when that fails, or you were careless and some low life you don't know is closing, you pull your gun. Plan A is seeing coming and avoiding. Plan B is for when Avoiding is not possible. Then you shoot center of mass quickly.

    We had a friend named Al that tried less than lethal. Al was some big black belt in martial arts completion and thought he was hot stuff. He died when the little teenage crackhead shot him right in the chest with a shiny little Raven .25. He's been dead ever since.

    Less than lethal means the other guy gets to live.
     

    pharmaco

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    Charlie, you're more right than you know.

    They plan to kill you if they have to. That's a fact. The criminal that is a real threat to you hasn't just that day become a gun or knife wielding thug, he's been a while in the making. It's a series of steps to the would be killer street thug, and he's already been in jail for minor offenses and each arrest stepping up in scale. The night he pulls a gun to car jack or rob you with, he's been years in the making.

    As a one time teen gang member in Washington D.C. I can say that less than lethal is a farce. Even more, it's a mind set that will get you killed. It's all going to be over in a few seconds, you don't have time to fool around with pepper sprays and tactical pens, and other nonsense. When you see his hand in the hoodie pocket, there's a gun or knife there already in his hand, and it's going to all over in an instant. It's already in his hand in that pocket. You need to be faster with yours than he is with his. Wasting time with some non lethal junk is going to get you dead right there on the street.

    First weapon in self defense is situational awareness. That's plan A. Plan B is when that fails, or you were careless and some low life you don't know is closing, you pull your gun. Plan A is seeing coming and avoiding. Plan B is for when Avoiding is not possible. Then you shoot center of mass quickly.

    We had a friend named Al that tried less than lethal. Al was some big black belt in martial arts completion and thought he was hot stuff. He died when the little teenage crackhead shot him right in the chest with a shiny little Raven .25. He's been dead ever since.

    Less than lethal means the other guy gets to live.

    *Punisher window stickers intensify*
     

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    Not always. Lawful for LE or certain security guards with a baton card or as below:

    Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
    (1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun or club; and
    (2) is not:
    (A) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
    (B) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
    Lawful for everyone carrying with a CHL/LTC:
    Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY.
    (b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
    (6) is carrying:

    (A) a license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a handgun; and

    (B) a handgun:

    (i) in a concealed manner; or

    (ii) in a shoulder or belt holster;
     
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