San Antonio City Council to go FASCIST

Ole Cowboy · Aug 16, 2018

Yes that is right, City Council to run YOUR business for you!!!!

Paid Sick Leave

What to Know: The San Antonio City Council will likely make a decision today on a mandatory paid sick leave ordinance.

“This much seems clear: One way or another, mandatory paid sick leave will become the law in San Antonio and, shortly thereafter, it will face a legal challenge. If the courts don’t invalidate it, the state Legislature will,” the San Antonio Express-Newsreports. “The City Council could place it on the November ballot, in acknowledgment of the successful petition drive earlier this year by a grassroots coalition called Working Texans for Paid Sick Time. If that happens, voters almost certainly will pass it. On the other hand, council members could speed up the inevitable and vote Thursday to approve a paid sick leave ordinance. The result will be the same, but the political consequences will differ.”

The TPPF Take: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has already warned San Antonio that such an ordinance would violate state law.

“Mandatory paid sick leave requires a higher level of compensation than the Texas minimum wage, these ordinances run afoul of the Texas Minimum Wage Act,” says TPPF’s Rob Henneke. “San Antonio officials are aware of this, so for them to put this on the ballot or to enact an ordinance themselves would be to embroil the city in costly legal proceedings, at the expense of the taxpayers.”
For more on mandatory paid sick leave ordinances, click here.

Low_Speed · Aug 16, 2018

I think Austin already did this. Businesses should refuse to comply. I just love how government interferes in private business.

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Ole Cowboy · Aug 16, 2018

Low_Speed said:
I think Austin already did this. Businesses should refuse to comply. I just love how government interferes in private business.

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This is Fascism in action, the left LOVES fascism, always has...

BRD@66 · Aug 16, 2018

Bigger government please.

Kar98 · Aug 16, 2018

HKShooter65 · Aug 16, 2018

I do not agree with the paid sick leave.

Though.....

To call it "fascism" seems to be inflammatory emotional hyperbole!

Ole Cowboy · Aug 16, 2018

HKShooter65 said:
I do not agree with the paid sick leave.

Though.....

To call it "fascism" seems to be inflammatory emotional hyperbole!

Tell me what YOU think Fascism is??

I am a business owner, so you are telling me that a 'city council' can tell me what benefits I will provide, what's next, who I will hire, when they can come to work, how long for lunch..

Fascism is when the govt takes CONTROL of companies, Italy, Germany, Cuba, USSR and across the world where you find that you have Fascism aka Corporatism...

studenygreg · Aug 16, 2018

I hate sick leave.

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pronstar · Aug 16, 2018

Ole Cowboy said:
I am a business owner, so you are telling me that a 'city council' can tell me what benefits I will provide, what's next, who I will hire, when they can come to work, how long for lunch..

Maybe not at the city level, but if your business is large enough, or you want to do business with the government, then the .gov already does this.

Must provide healthcare
Must hire to meet quotas
Must provide breaks at specific times

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Ole Cowboy · Aug 17, 2018

pronstar said:
Maybe not at the city level, but if your business is large enough, or you want to do business with the government, then the .gov already does this.

Must provide healthcare
Must hire to meet quotas
Must provide breaks at specific times

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Yes and that is WRONG and the govt has been doing that since the 60's. When ANY govt body starts telling you how to run your private business then the fist step to fascism has taken place.

First it starts with Public businesses over $1 B revenue, then it becomes $500M, then it changes to number of employees, then under Obama it became FTE and it went from 100 IIRC down to 50, then 25. It started with healthcare, then sick time, then maternity leave for 6 weeks, then 3 mo, then for both, then it began with min wage, which turns into living wage, next step is living wage based upon your individual family unit size. Now we have socialism...from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

I have had many opportunities to take my company way past 25 employees, but the govt starts to run your company past that point. In addition, the paperwork requirements alone are incredible, they keep stacking stuff on and on. At this stage of my life, no need for me to go there.

343Gatter · Aug 17, 2018

I grew up in a country with federal legislated paid and unpaid leave minimum entitlements... I can assure you I did not grow up in Nazi Germany.

Having legislated minimum leave entitlements doesn't turn your country into a fascist or communist state. It simply is an effort to help prevent business owners using and abusing staff, which not all but many do.

Typically any leave entitlements also have to be proven, ie paid sick leave means you have to provide a doctors certificate to prove to the employer. It is not just a free ride, the entitlements also are connected with your annual salary and dependant on which contract you are employed under.

So for example: a person on a casual or temp contract does not get these entitlements, however receive a higher hourly rate or salary. People on permanent fulltime contracts get full paid leave entitlements, but are often on a slightly reduced hourly rate or salary.

The employer can still decide which contract they choose to hire people on. It's not fascism... it's called options.

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avvidclif · Aug 17, 2018

Here we call it Fascism. None of the govt's business how I run my business. We have unions that cause enough problems.

benenglish · Aug 17, 2018

343Gatter said:
It's not fascism... it's called options.

There are environments where centrism and freedom are considered polar opposites. But you already knew that, didn't you?

Ole Cowboy · Aug 17, 2018

343Gatter said:
I grew up in a country with federal legislated paid and unpaid leave minimum entitlements... I can assure you I did not grow up in Nazi Germany.

Having legislated minimum leave entitlements doesn't turn your country into a fascist or communist state. It simply is an effort to help prevent business owners using and abusing staff, which not all but many do.

Typically any leave entitlements also have to be proven, ie paid sick leave means you have to provide a doctors certificate to prove to the employer. It is not just a free ride, the entitlements also are connected with your annual salary and dependant on which contract you are employed under.

So for example: a person on a casual or temp contract does not get these entitlements, however receive a higher hourly rate or salary. People on permanent fulltime contracts get full paid leave entitlements, but are often on a slightly reduced hourly rate or salary.

The employer can still decide which contract they choose to hire people on. It's not fascism... it's called options.

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Don't let living in Texas fool you into thinking the rest of the US is the same its not. In fact here in the Liberal run cities its different. I live rural on deeded "UNRESTRICTED ACREAGE". So I have a successful company, been in business since April of 2011 and what have I had to do that involves City - State Govt? Obtain a sales Tax certificate and that would be all other than I later did a DBA when the company grew and I expanded. Other than NOTHING! Now try that in Austin, San Antonio and I would guess the other liberal cities in Texas. In fact try that in most states. I also have a 524 sq ft manufacturing facility here on property. I have inspectors knocking on my door, if, IF they did I would tell them not here you won't, I have no HOA, nothing, my land is sovereign land and I am a sovereign man living on it.

I guess you would say I don't have any OPTIONS, NO and I don't need any, I run the company my way. You can call it sick leave or any thing you chose, but to me a business owner it would be the GOVT telling ME how to spend my money, and that my friend is not options.

343Gatter · Aug 17, 2018

benenglish said:
There are environments where centrism and freedom are considered polar opposites. But you already knew that, didn't you?

I consider myself lucky enough to have lived and worked in the society of my birth then later lived and worked in Texas, I can see the pros and cons of both and both have pros and cons. In my experience and opinion, minimum leave requirements is one I can see as a positive for wider society.

Consider even this, when I was in the Army reserve back home, I went and did 5 months service overseas. My company (which was an American one operating in my country) fought tooth and nail to make it as hard as possible for me to fulfill my military service commitment had it not been for legislated leave entitlements that supersede company policy, I would have been in financial hardship and likely lost my job for serving my military commitment to my country. Which left me with a bad taste in my mouth regarding the company I worked for.

For me, and for many, I believe a little bit of support financially during times of hardship, (paid sick leave is 10 days per year) increase loyalty, devotion, morale, productivity. However saying to someone who may not earn much and losing a few days pay can mean the difference between eating and not who needs to take a few days off to take care of their sick kid "sorry you're on your own, I hear there's a special on at Kroger for ramen noodles this week" will most likely generate the polar opposite to the above mentioned benefits of supporting your workers.

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343Gatter · Aug 17, 2018

Ole Cowboy said:
Don't let living in Texas fool you into thinking the rest of the US is the same its not. In fact here in the Liberal run cities its different. I live rural on deeded "UNRESTRICTED ACREAGE". So I have a successful company, been in business since April of 2011 and what have I had to do that involves City - State Govt? Obtain a sales Tax certificate and that would be all other than I later did a DBA when the company grew and I expanded. Other than NOTHING! Now try that in Austin, San Antonio and I would guess the other liberal cities in Texas. In fact try that in most states. I also have a 524 sq ft manufacturing facility here on property. I have inspectors knocking on my door, if, IF they did I would tell them not here you won't, I have no HOA, nothing, my land is sovereign land and I am a sovereign man living on it.

I guess you would say I don't have any OPTIONS, NO and I don't need any, I run the company my way. You can call it sick leave or any thing you chose, but to me a business owner it would be the GOVT telling ME how to spend my money, and that my friend is not options.

I as much as the next person think government should be there for to check and balance the wellbeing of the people and the nation as a whole, and when it comes to individual lifestyle then the choice should be the individual or the collective of individuals obviously as long as no one is being harmed in the process.

Big government sucks, and part of the reason why the US is good is because of the system that is supposed to be representative of small government, individual self determination.

However unfortunately some employers are just dicks and take advantage of people in vulnerable situations. And like with all legislation, they are introduced because the few fucked it for the many.

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Ole Cowboy · Aug 17, 2018

343Gatter said:
I consider myself lucky enough to have lived and worked in the society of my birth then later lived and worked in Texas, I can see the pros and cons of both and both have pros and cons. In my experience and opinion, minimum leave requirements is one I can see as a positive for wider society.

Consider even this, when I was in the Army reserve back home, I went and did 5 months service overseas. My company (which was an American one operating in my country) fought tooth and nail to make it as hard as possible for me to fulfill my military service commitment had it not been for legislated leave entitlements that supersede company policy, I would have been in financial hardship and likely lost my job for serving my military commitment to my country. Which left me with a bad taste in my mouth regarding the company I worked for.

For me, and for many, I believe a little bit of support financially during times of hardship, (paid sick leave is 10 days per year) increase loyalty, devotion, morale, productivity. However saying to someone who may not earn much and losing a few days pay can mean the difference between eating and not who needs to take a few days off to take care of their sick kid "sorry you're on your own, I hear there's a special on at Kroger for ramen noodles this week" will most likely generate the polar opposite to the above mentioned benefits of supporting your workers.

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All TRUE, and as someone who has owed 5 companies and worked at the "C" level in many along with a career in Consulting to large (Fortune 500) and small mom and pop companies I have seen a lot, some good, some bad, some great and some just plain shitty.

Good companies, those that say AND do have lower turn-over rates, higher performance, greater profits than those that see employees as just a number to be dealt with.

The KEY: Lead people, Manage things, people are not things, things are not people.

Ole Cowboy · Aug 17, 2018

343Gatter said:
I as much as the next person think government should be there for to check and balance the wellbeing of the people and the nation as a whole, and when it comes to individual lifestyle then the choice should be the individual or the collective of individuals obviously as long as no one is being harmed in the process.

Big government sucks, and part of the reason why the US is good is because of the system that is supposed to be representative of small government, individual self determination.

However unfortunately some employers are just dicks and take advantage of people in vulnerable situations. And like with all legislation, they are introduced because the few fucked it for the many.

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YES, been there worked there and seen it. But, here is a fact, all the benefits in the world do not create a great company.

Lot of companies just do not have the profitability to have deep benefits, the money is not there for it...

343Gatter · Aug 17, 2018

Ole Cowboy said:
YES, been there worked there and seen it. But, here is a fact, all the benefits in the world do not create a great company.

Lot of companies just do not have the profitability to have deep benefits, the money is not there for it...

Of course not. This is why the leave entitlements are only minimums, and the company can be supported by their insurer if in the case they can't meet the minimums.

Obviously the system in my home country is set up to accommodate, the one here in the US is not, so a pseudo-mixing of separate systems and legislations will ultimately backfire.

But my point was not about that, it was that I don't think minimum leave entitlements dictate the transition to a fascist style leadership.

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Ole Cowboy · Aug 17, 2018

343Gatter said:
Of course not. This is why the leave entitlements are only minimums, and the company can be supported by their insurer if in the case they can't meet the minimums.

Obviously the system in my home country is set up to accommodate, the one here in the US is not, so a pseudo-mixing of separate systems and legislations will ultimately backfire.

But my point was not about that, it was that I don't think minimum leave entitlements dictate the transition to a fascist style leadership.

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I would have agreed whole heartedly for most of my 70+ years, however, things have changed radically and the Dem party has been taken over by the extreme far left socialist faction, in fact Eliz Warren has just intro a bill in Congress to have the govt take over and control all business with $1B or more sales...that is not just socialism, its FASCISM! Straight out of the books of Italy, Nazi Ger, USSR, Cuba and many other countries. When the Dems get elected post-Trump you may want to think about going back home!

San Antonio City Council to go FASCIST

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