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  • jrbfishn

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    Then, never ever get in Law Enforcement. Never, ever get shot at. Never, never watch your friends on your shift, or class, or team get murdered. Never, never, have to take someone to the ground that likes to fight. Then you can continue on as you were. Experiences mold us. Mine have molded me. Your life experience is probably a bit different.
    You think cops are the only ones that ever faced an of that?
    Get over yourself.
    I know a lot of career and retired LE that don't think that way. Career military with multiple combat tours as well. Spent my life around people like that.
    Have you considered counseling?
    How do you survive a range trip if everyone with a gun is out to get you?

    Believe it or not, even though I usually open carry, I would be more likely to help a cop in need of it than to hurt them. Most people would.

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    Kar98

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    The irony is, when I'm carrying concealed, i.e. making an effort to keep it concealed, I do so as not to upset the simple-minded, easily scared folk. I would have thought people who for instance post on forums like this one aren't the easily scared and terrified of other people having guns kind of people. But wtf do I know, LOL.
     

    Younggun

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    I did a year in Iraq, and every day I took solace in the fact that I was in such a safe area and not LE on US soil.

    (That’s my sarcastic way of saying lots of folks on this forum have been in shitty places and have been “molded”. We just don’t talk about it constantly)


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    Wildcat Diva

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    I can't bear to read what others think about OC.

    Wildcat Diva is right.

    OC or don't OC, it's up to you in Texas and other states.

    If you're an adamant anti-OCer, I really don't care and btw, I do (infrequently) OC when I fill up my vehicles.

    It's my business...please, if you are an anti OC type, perhaps you also want to save the whales and hug trees.

    Go right ahead, it's your business.

    I love being right.


    I was going to say, OC in the country is one thing. OC in downtown Austin, or Houston is another.

    We OC in the very Libby Houston Montrose district, also Libby Rice Village, quite often. No prob.
     

    sharkey

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    "Have a plan to kill everyone around you" It sounds cool and you gotta be switched on to use it right? Truth is it's just some BS people will say to sound well, cool. Honestly, I don't have enough time to look at everyone and figure out how to kill them if they present a threat. I sure as hell didn't answer a report call and think - "gee how will I kill this complaintant if this is just a set up for an ambush"
    Situational Awareness means looking for anomalies in the given environment. What is out of place?
     

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    In a combat environment, the quote applies (have a plan to kill everyone around you). Daily civilian life, it's more situational awareness: if the shady character acts out, what is the plan to evade/escape/defend.
     

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    You think cops are the only ones that ever faced an of that?
    Get over yourself.
    I know a lot of career and retired LE that don't think that way. Career military with multiple combat tours as well. Spent my life around people like that.
    Have you considered counseling?
    How do you survive a range trip if everyone with a gun is out to get you?

    Believe it or not, even though I usually open carry, I would be more likely to help a cop in need of it than to hurt them. Most people would.

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    Well, I started off my career facing combat everyday for five years. The Mexican Military had no problems firing at us with flash hiders from the other side of the river. Now, they got smart enough to issue Military Body armor, which has saved some lives, the HK 91 .308 punching through the body armor, destroying the ceramic plate inside, and destroying the Metal AR Mag the guy was wearing. USBP sees far more losses and combat than the Coast Guard could ever imagine, though they are both DHS. One floats around the water borders the rest are ground pounders, like I was. Oh, and when you get out, they say "Here's the door, have a nice life, transition on your own." PTSD affects folks like that. Besides all the murders we had, guys were eating their own guns. That is why once, they had a "Don't kill yourself seminar." Most of us didn't like being called in on our day off to listen to that clap trap. Death was just part of the deal. Enough have been murdered over time, there was a mantra, "You gotta die of something." And before I get, but the Coast Guard is Military, take a look at the BORTAC units.

    Now, if you were a Coastie, you get free VA, counseling on your way out, a free puppy, and free health care the rest of your life.
     

    majormadmax

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    Get over yourself, you've been flooding this forum with so much crap that anything you try to say of substance is going to get buried in it. Maybe learn that in some cases "less is more" and we'll start listening, but at this point everything you say is simply noise to me.

    Back on topic, I've never been a big fan of Mattis' "have a plan to kill everyone you meet" quote; but I understand it because I know the context behind it. It's a mantra for those in combat environment, which the vast majority of us don't encounter on a daily basis. A more apt mindset will be to maintain situational awareness and identify any threats and vulnerabilities that may pop up. That's simple risk management, make right decisions to mitigate any threats that you may confront.

    I have absolutely no plan to shoot or kill anyone, that borders on premeditation; but being prepared to defend yourself is an absolute necessity. I hope I never have to take a life no matter what the circumstances, but I am prepared and have the ability to do so if no other options are available. That mindset got me through 25 years in the military, over twelve years as a defense contractor and nearly the same amount of time as a licensed handgun carrier.

    As for the concealed/open carry debate, what someone chooses to do is up to them; but anyone who tries to convince me that open carry is more dangerous or likely to make you a victim can go spout such rhetoric elsewhere. I put it in the same category as the claims that there would be "blood flowing in the streets" when licensed carry was proposed in Texas, pure hyperbole that history has proven to be not true. Yes, there are a few isolated cases where a person may have been targeted because they were openly carrying; but given the number of states that allow it and the rarity of such events it is not even a measurable statistical likelihood. Given the right circumstances, anything is possible; but the probability of it is so remote that it's not worth addressing. Worrying about such things is what causes people to lock themselves inside their houses and never step outside!
     

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    Since I retired, minding my own business, I nearly had to shoot a guy. Until, he decided to run away. The disabled appear to be marks, I guess. Then I had the hell beat out of me for being proud of my heritage. Since you got out, how many beatings, armed encounters have you had? Oh, probably none. People are by-in-large extremist shit bags these days. I am just happy for my training. One time, I had no choice but to be a victim, unless I wanted to shoot a kid (which once in my life I came close) just catching a group on the river, and then seeing through the brush feet and hands, and one hand had a 1911. I caught up and drew. I don't know who was more disturbed him or me. It ended up being a realistic looking pellet gun made to look like a 1911. But, with finger on the trigger I didn't drop the hammer. I refuse to harm a child, if that meant the Farrakhanites got to stop a "termite" so be it. I eventually got out of there with a cracked molar, bruised ribs, and shins.

    Now, I am well armed for the next flash mob. Life teaches you brutal lessons. She is a bitch, and then you die.
     

    Mowingmaniac 24/7

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    K777,

    If you truly are in L.E., you sound like one of the a 'gun for me, but not thee' types, again if you truly are in L.E. which I've come to doubt.

    Given the slant of your posts, I'm beginning to see the slow unveiling of a stealth anti-gun type.

    Most who don't OC, but are Licensed To Carry, have no problem with their fellow LTCers' who care to OC and wouldn't dream of giving them grief whether they CC or OC. Sure, they have their preferences, but don't condemn others for OCing even when they don't take advantage of this type carry.

    Your 'anti-OC opinion' isn't worth a warm bucket of spit.

    In addition, acting like a fiction writing 'drama queen' which doesn't lend you credibility.
     

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    I got burned out on OC back in my old copping days. There was some idiot who inisted to strap on his hog leg when mowing the grass. All the neighbors would go berserk and call the cops on him...so that generated a written report which is not nice. The guy was crazy as a loon. Not sure how he even got a permit.
     

    Charlie

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    I got burned out on OC back in my old copping days. There was some idiot who inisted to strap on his hog leg when mowing the grass. All the neighbors would go berserk and call the cops on him...so that generated a written report which is not nice. The guy was crazy as a loon. Not sure how he even got a permit.
    It's the neighbors that are crazy! Are you pissed off at the mower or the neighbors? I always carry OC or CC when I mow because of the snakes and critters that inhabit my small acreage. Sounds like you are complaining about the mowing guy 'cause you had to write a report (gasp!). I'd think visiting with the neighbors might have helped that situation.
     

    Mowingmaniac 24/7

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    You can 'legally' strap on a hog leg when you mow grass on your own property in Texas and if that is gives the neighbors the vapors..tough. They have to suck it up cuz he's not breaking any law. They sound like the 'loons'.

    Mr. Hog Leg is legal and while I don't like to offend my neighbors, in my neighborhood you'd never hear a discouraging word about such a practice.
     
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    sharkey

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    Pretty sure if I OC my hog leg, neighbors will be calling to report an indecent exposure

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