HB 357 - Constitutional Carry

diesel1959 · Nov 15, 2018

ekim said:
So what was the reason for the stop / arrest if he doesn't know if you did something illegal or not. Yes, every cop makes a judgement of guilty or innocent with every stop or he's making an illegal stop, right!

*sigh*

Vaquero · Nov 15, 2018

ian said:
The LEO's I know Don't fear people with guns for two reasons: Cops are better trained and criminals will conceal carry with out regard to the law.

I don't know any chiefs.

Of the people I know, the cops run a distant 2nd in firearms training.
Probably just my circle though.

ekim · Nov 15, 2018

ian said:
The LEO's I know Don't fear people with guns for two reasons: Cops are better trained and criminals will conceal carry with out regard to the law.

I don't know any chiefs.

Aren't you dating that 1024th indian chief squaw? :cowboy:

Shotgun Jeremy · Nov 15, 2018

I always thought that Police Depts go over different laws as periodic refreshers during staff meetings. 1 or 2 laws this week, a law or two next week. Is this not a thing?

ian · Nov 15, 2018

Vaquero said:
Of the people I know, the cops run a distant 2nd in firearms training.
Probably just my circle though.

I'm a better shot than the cops I know but they have better training than me.

Bad guys don't care about laws... will you give me that?

Vaquero · Nov 15, 2018

ian said:
I'm a better shot than the cops I know but they have better training than me.

Bad guys don't care about laws... will you give me that?

Yes, I'll concede that.

ian · Nov 15, 2018

ekim said:
Aren't you dating that 1024th indian chief squaw?

I hit and quit. Fauxcahontas don't buck. My motto, Don't beat a dead horse... twice.

ekim · Nov 15, 2018

ian said:
I hit and quit. Fauxcahontas don't buck. My motto, Don't beat a dead horse... twice.

You got bigger ones than me to admit to that my friend.

BRD@66 · Nov 15, 2018

Shotgun Jeremy said:
I always thought that Police Depts go over different laws as periodic refreshers during staff meetings. 1 or 2 laws this week, a law or two next week. Is this not a thing?

The agency that I worked for has new law training sessions shortly after Sept 1 (when most new laws become effective).

TheDan · Nov 16, 2018

Shady said:
Before you start to carry one keep in mind cops are not up on laws and if you have one there is a good chance you will take the ride and eventually get out of it might be free might cost 10K in attorney fees.

If you want to risk it then you also have to have your gun on you when you carry the batton.

ekim said:
Pure BS.
That's just asking for law suits. How can a cop do his job if he doesn't know what he can and can't do legally. But you are probably right, that's why I don't trust cops or the government that employs dumb people.

Good example... https://www.texasguntalk.com/thread...ife-chl-concealed-handgun-jail-charges.44924/

Shady · Nov 16, 2018

Shrug no idea it has not happened to me.

I would assume if you have an illegal club on your belt well that is plenty of probable cause to stop you and ask what the hell do you think your are doing.

ekim said:
So what was the reason for the stop / arrest if he doesn't know if you did something illegal or not. Yes, every cop makes a judgement of guilty or innocent with every stop or he's making an illegal stop, right!

ekim · Nov 16, 2018

Shady said:
Shrug no idea it has not happened to me.

I would assume if you have an illegal club on your belt well that is plenty of probable cause to stop you and ask what the hell do you think your are doing.

What is an illegal club, baseball bat, cane, fence post, umbrella?

TheDan · Nov 16, 2018

ekim said:
What is an illegal club, baseball bat, cane, fence post, umbrella?

Read the CHL handbook. https://www.dps.texas.gov/InternetForms/Forms/LTC-16.pdf

ekim · Nov 16, 2018

TheDan said:
Read the CHL handbook. https://www.dps.texas.gov/InternetForms/Forms/LTC-16.pdf

Tell me which sec., that a lot of reading and I'm not from Texas and not up on there gun laws pursay.

TheDan · Nov 16, 2018

ekim said:
Tell me which sec., that a lot of reading and I'm not from Texas and not up on there gun laws pursay.

Specifically 46.01. DEFINITIONS and 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS, but if you're going to spend time in Texas you should probably read the whole thing.

ekim · Nov 16, 2018

You are right as far as I read. With that said the people responsible for writing those laws should be fired and laws rewritten (by people that haven't had their brains turned to mush by our colleges of higher learning, god I hate lawyers and politicans) so people can understand them and be able to follow said laws. Better yet just repeal them as they IMO are an infringement to the 2nd Amendment.

dogbone · Nov 16, 2018

I think we are getting a bit sidetracked with the club discussion. Yes, it is something which should be addressed and I have hopes the bill author will amend the bill once this is brought to his attention. Getting a Constitutional Carry bill through the legislative maze is going to be difficult struggle requiring a focused effort of gun owners voicing their concerns to their legislators. Start researching the facts about Constitutional Carry and present them to your legicritter in a professional and polite manner.

John Lott's site is a good resource:
https://crimeresearch.org/tag/constitutional-carry/

ekim · Nov 16, 2018

dogbone said:
I think we are getting a bit sidetracked with the club discussion. Yes, it is something which should be addressed and I have hopes the bill author will amend the bill once this is brought to his attention. Getting a Constitutional Carry bill through the legislative maze is going to be difficult struggle requiring a focused effort of gun owners voicing their concerns to their legislators. Start researching the facts about Constitutional Carry and present them to your legicritter in a professional and polite manner.

John Lott's site is a good resource:
https://crimeresearch.org/tag/constitutional-carry/

Not a problem, it just irks me when the citizen "must" know all the laws etc. but cops can slide by and hope it holds up in court and judges seem to favor the cops position which means more money for the state, thus them. Plus the lawyers get more work/money out of it too. Follow the money for any new law restricting the people and you have the reason for said law.

ian · Nov 16, 2018

dogbone said:
HB 357 (I like that bill number) would allow permitless carry of a legally owned handgun in Texas.

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86R/billtext/html/HB00357I.htm

So this bill takes away open carry?

Section 6 46.035 sub section A

A person commits an offense if a person
carries a handgun and intentionally displays the handgun in plain
view of another person in a public place.

My legalese aint too good.

Koinonia · Nov 16, 2018

ian said:
So this bill takes away open carry?

Section 6 46.035 sub section A

A person commits an offense if a person
carries a handgun and intentionally displays the handgun in plain
view of another person in a public place.

My legalese aint too good.

No, still license excepted.

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