My "first" polymer/striker pistol

SQLGeek · Nov 20, 2018

Gilbertc13 said:
FWIW they were also the same people who told me everything was inferior to Glock. I haven’t been back to that place since.

Opinions are like...well you know.

I'm a weird duck, I like Glocks (except the Gen 5 19, they screwed that one up with the magazine cutout). Many don't. Shrug.

As long as it's not one of those antique 1911s*, you should be good to go.

*Sorry, it's just too much fun trolling you guys.

Kar98 · Nov 20, 2018

SQLGeek said:
As long as it's not one of those antique 1911s*, you should be good to go.

*Sorry, it's just too much fun trolling you guys.

* I sure hope you realize I'm just trolling right back when I put the 1911 on a pedestal. Me, anyway. I don't know about others.

But yeah, the PPQ trigger is most excellent. Almost as good as a 1911 trigger.

TxStetson · Nov 20, 2018

Kar98 said:
* I sure hope you realize I'm just trolling right back when I put the 1911 on a pedestal. Me, anyway. I don't know about others.

But yeah, the PPQ trigger is most excellent. Almost as good as a 1911 trigger.

Almost as good. Actually the H&K VP series seems to have the same trigger as the PPQ.

Gilbertc13 · Nov 20, 2018

If looking at the PPQ M2 just make sure it doesn’t fall into this range of SN https://www.waltherarms.com/recall/

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Kar98 · Nov 20, 2018

Gilbertc13 said:
If looking at the PPQ M2 just make sure it doesn’t fall into this range of SN https://www.waltherarms.com/recall/

There's no recall for the PPQ. Not for the M1, not for the M2.

Kar98 · Nov 20, 2018

TxStetson said:
Almost as good. Actually the H&K VP series seems to have the same trigger as the PPQ.

Yeah, but the PPQ starts at $469.00.

Gilbertc13 · Nov 20, 2018

Kar98 said:
There's no recall for the PPQ. Not for the M1, not for the M2.

Brain isn’t working. My fault

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ZX9RCAM · Nov 20, 2018

Gilbertc13 said:
FWIW they were also the same people who told me everything was inferior to Glock. I haven’t been back to that place since.

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They probably had several Glocks in stock, and were out of Walthers...

Bozz10mm · Nov 20, 2018

Since you mentioned LTC I would suggest S&W M&P 2.0 Compact or Glock 19.

TxStetson · Nov 20, 2018

Kar98 said:
Yeah, but the PPQ starts at $469.00.

Very good point

easy rider · Nov 20, 2018

Kar98 said:
Almost as good as a 1911 trigger.

That's pretty general. Depending on the 1911 and custom jobs there are variances. Not to say it's the best, but the trigger on mine is phenomenal.

m5215 · Nov 20, 2018

My recent research turned up some interesting information.

It looks like I will be removing the CZ P-10 C from my list for now. Apparently there are several small design flaws and a lower frame cracking issue that CZ claims to not be a problem however I am not going to risk anything on an issue like that.

The new leader is now the Walther PPQ M2 however I have discovered one issue that could possibly be a concern. Apparently the slide release lever is so long that it is too easy to manipulate and can cause the slide to prematurely close after a magazine is empty. I don't know how widespread this is but I have read 2 separate comments about it happening to others. The possibility of having to completely rack the slide after loading a new magazine is not something that I want to have to do so unless I plan for this pistol to only be a range gun it may not be best for all of the intended uses that I have planned for it.

Kar98 · Nov 20, 2018

Hasn't been an issue for me but then again I don't have frying skillets for hands. Proper two thumbs grip and you won't have any issues.

However, if you're seriously worried about the extended mag releases of the PPQ, and want the gun for both range, home and carry, I suggest having a look at the P99 instead.

Instead of the same trigger system as a Glock (pre-cocked double action only), you get a true striker fired DA/SA gun. You can shoot it in double action, carry it decocked, and after the first shot, it's in single action. You can also switch between DA and SA at any time by either pressing the decocker or racking the slide for a quarter of an inch. And it has a short slide release on the left side only, as opposed to the dual-sided long slide release levers. But it also has the magazine release built into the trigger guard, so there's that.

But seriously, accidentally operating the slide release hasn't been an issue for me.

ZX9RCAM · Nov 20, 2018

m5215 said:
My recent research turned up some interesting information.

It looks like I will be removing the CZ P-10 C from my list for now. Apparently there are several small design flaws and a lower frame cracking issue that CZ claims to not be a problem however I am not going to risk anything on an issue like that.

The new leader is now the Walther PPQ M2 however I have discovered one issue that could possibly be a concern. Apparently the slide release lever is so long that it is too easy to manipulate and can cause the slide to prematurely close after a magazine is empty. I don't know how widespread this is but I have read 2 separate comments about it happening to others. The possibility of having to completely rack the slide after loading a new magazine is not something that I want to have to do so unless I plan for this pistol to only be a range gun it may not be best for all of the intended uses that I have planned for it.

Never experienced this with my Walther.

ZX9RCAM · Nov 20, 2018

Kar98 said:
Hasn't been an issue for me but then again I don't have frying skillets for hands. Proper two thumbs grip and you won't have any issues.

However, if you're seriously worried about the extended mag releases of the PPQ, and want the gun for both range, home and carry, I suggest having a look at the P99 instead.

Instead of the same trigger system as a Glock (pre-cocked double action only), you get a true striker fired DA/SA gun. You can shoot it in double action, carry it decocked, and after the first shot, it's in single action. You can also switch between DA and SA at any time by either pressing the decocker or racking the slide for a quarter of an inch. And it has a short slide release on the left side only, as opposed to the dual-sided long slide release levers. But it also has the magazine release built into the trigger guard, so there's that.

But seriously, accidentally operating the slide release hasn't been an issue for me.

What are you saying about a DA only trigger on a Glock?

Kar98 · Nov 20, 2018

ZX9RCAM said:
What are you saying about a DA only trigger on a Glock?

Partially pre-cocked double action only. Glock calls it "safe action", but that's what it is.

If you want, you can argue about it, I don't wanna; but you can go on reading this:

https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/glocks-single-action-double-action.1690322/

BuzzinSATX · Nov 20, 2018

I may have missed this point, but do you qualify for Glock Blue Label pricing? If so, and you go with Glock, consider the G17-5 MOS or the G45. Both do not have that stupid mag cutout.

Otherwise, PPQ/Canik/M&P 2.0/XDm/VP9 are ALL great choices.

I stick with Glock due to the interchangeable mags and parts...but starting out, you don’t have that issue.

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zincwarrior · Nov 20, 2018

My only issue for the M 2 is that PPQs have a higher center if geavity. This results in snappier recool and MAY lead to slower split times.

It's a meh issue. I believe PPQs are also windage adjustable. That's a big deal to me. If I were doing it again, I'd look real hard at getting one if it feels good when you try it out.

Kar98 · Nov 20, 2018

zincwarrior said:
My only issue for the M 2 is that PPQs have a higher center if geavity. This results in snappier recool and MAY lead to slower split times.

They are, and you can really feel the difference as the mag gets emptier. But I believe that goes for all plastic guns.

I believe PPQs are also windage adjustable.

In the US, they are, to get enough "sporting" points to be importable as per GCA 1968. In other markets, they have the same sights as the PPS, i.e. rear sight is pressed in and windage adjustable via sight pusher.

Texas Heat · Nov 20, 2018

IF you're looking for compact or smaller, I haven't found one I like more than the Springfield XD Mod2 Subcompact. Fullsize polymer, I like the HK VP9. Full size metal, I like CZ SP01.

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