Is this legal? School district ticketng motorists for passing school busses.

Southpaw · Dec 10, 2018

benenglish said:
I miss you not being able to do that, too. However, there were too many people simply cutting and pasting entire articles, drawing letters from lawyers.

I know...

Shotgun Jeremy · Dec 10, 2018

I only read about the first 20 posts, so I apologize if this has already been brought up. In my view, this is no different than me submitting footage to the PD from my dash cam of people blowing by school busses in a residential with the stop sign out and red lights flashing. The ISD is only providing the drivers complaint and footage to the PD. The PD issues the ticket.

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Southpaw · Dec 10, 2018

Shotgun Jeremy said:
I only read about the first 20 posts, so I apologize if this has already been brought up. In my view, this is no different than me submitting footage to the PD from my dash cam of people blowing by school busses in a residential with the stop sign out and red lights flashing. The ISD is only providing the drivers complaint and footage to the PD. The PD issues the ticket.

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The PD does not issue these fines. If they were, there would be criminal penalties for ignoring them. At worst they (county) can put a hold on your registration, though that doesn't seem to be done everywhere or in every case.

Shotgun Jeremy · Dec 10, 2018

Southpaw said:
The PD does not issue these fines. If they were, there would be criminal penalties for ignoring them. At worst they (county) can put a hold on your registration, though that doesn't seem to be done everywhere or in every case.

I missed that part - Thankyou. Yea, the ISD needs to work with the PD then. Should be easy enough.

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Charlie · Dec 10, 2018

Now, if more folks would not pass a school bus with it's flashers on, ............... uh, not going to happen! Lots of people drive with only one thing on their mind and it's the most important thing in the world, nothing else matters! Heh!

busykngt · Dec 10, 2018

So that was an interesting link in Southpaw’s post:
http://www.trashyourticket.com/

Looks like there’s a move afoot in the Legislature to make the camera tickets totally unenforceable. May be worthwhile to let your State Representatives know your view on this matter.

easy rider · Dec 10, 2018

As far as cameras at a red light and going past a bus with flashing red lights and signs to stop traffic, I can't say I'm really against that. If you're running red lights and putting children in danger, I have no pity for you.

Charlie · Dec 10, 2018

I mentioned earlier about an elderly lady that walked in front of the bus in Ingram and the driver couldn't see her and ran over her, causing a fatality. And she wasn't even breaking the law!

benenglish · Dec 10, 2018

easy rider said:
As far as cameras at a red light ... I can't say I'm really against that.

That's different from the school bus issue. I have big problems with red light cameras. That industry is so horrifically corrupt it beggars description.

In order to generate ticket revenue, cities have shortened yellow light times causing many more rear-end collisions.
Tickets get issued to the wrong people and they find themselves in multiple Catch-22 situations trying to contest them.
There has been at least one case of a visiting judge being dismissed from the bench for ruling in favor of people who have gotten red light camera tickets because even a single ruling might provide a legal precedent in that jurisdiction that the system isn't perfect.

I could go on and on and if anyone would like to, just start researching the topic online. That's a rabbit hole that could consume days of your time.

Red light cameras should be outlawed everywhere. Where they're not outlawed, they should be shot.

ZX9RCAM · Dec 10, 2018

What round for red light camera?

easy rider · Dec 10, 2018

benenglish said:
That's different from the school bus issue. I have big problems with red light cameras. That industry is so horrifically corrupt it beggars description.

In order to generate ticket revenue, cities have shortened yellow light times causing many more rear-end collisions.

Tickets get issued to the wrong people and they find themselves in multiple Catch-22 situations trying to contest them.

There has been at least one case of a visiting judge being dismissed from the bench for ruling in favor of people who have gotten red light camera tickets because even a single ruling might provide a legal precedent in that jurisdiction that the system isn't perfect.

I could go on and on and if anyone would like to, just start researching the topic online. That's a rabbit hole that could consume days of your time.

Red light cameras should be outlawed everywhere. Where they're not outlawed, they should be shot.

Wasn't long ago that I thought Guam was the worst for running red lights, you had to wait about six cars to go through after it turned red. Odessa and Midland are rapidly looking to break that string. Too many STUPID accidents and deaths around here.

(BTW, no cameras that I'm aware of)

Charlie · Dec 10, 2018

benenglish said:
That's different from the school bus issue. I have big problems with red light cameras. That industry is so horrifically corrupt it beggars description.

In order to generate ticket revenue, cities have shortened yellow light times causing many more rear-end collisions.

Tickets get issued to the wrong people and they find themselves in multiple Catch-22 situations trying to contest them.

There has been at least one case of a visiting judge being dismissed from the bench for ruling in favor of people who have gotten red light camera tickets because even a single ruling might provide a legal precedent in that jurisdiction that the system isn't perfect.

I could go on and on and if anyone would like to, just start researching the topic online. That's a rabbit hole that could consume days of your time.

Red light cameras should be outlawed everywhere. Where they're not outlawed, they should be shot.

Excellent idea! :50cal:

benenglish · Dec 10, 2018

easy rider said:
you had to wait about six cars to go through after it turned red.

Like everyone, I've seen far too many traffic control devices ignored. Two (non-accident) times stand out in my memory. In both cases, I was first in line at a red light. It turned green and I pulled out and through the intersection. Then I noticed in my rear view someone flying through the intersection behind me, all four tires locked up.

Incidents like that make the stomach a bit queasy...

easy rider · Dec 10, 2018

benenglish said:
Like everyone, I've seen far too many traffic control devices ignored. Two (non-accident) times stand out in my memory. In both cases, I was first in line at a red light. It turned green and I pulled out and through the intersection. Then I noticed in my rear view someone flying through the intersection behind me, all four tires locked up.

Incidents like that make the stomach a bit queasy...

It gets worse daily around here it seems, and not enough enforcement to go around. It's one thing when people put their own lives in danger, these fools are putting everyone's life in danger.

TheDan · Dec 10, 2018

easy rider said:
It gets worse daily around here it seems, and not enough enforcement to go around. It's one thing when people put their own lives in danger, these fools are putting everyone's life in danger.

Get a POS, dash cam, and start letting them hit you.

easy rider · Dec 10, 2018

TheDan said:
Get a POS, dash cam, and start letting them hit you.

It's the getting hurt or killed part that kind of shies me away from that.

busykngt · Dec 10, 2018

If the problem is as common as some folks have alluded to, it seems to me, it would make it easy for a traffic patrol LEO to keep his upper management happy by filling his monthly ticket quota in short order. AND have days left over to collect additional revenue for the city or county. I’m certainly NOT in favor of “private enterprise” getting into the enforcement of traffic laws!

majormadmax · Dec 10, 2018

busykngt said:
If the problem is as common as some folks have alluded to, it seems to me, it would make it easy for a traffic patrol LEO to keep his upper management happy by filling his monthly ticket quota in short order. AND have days left over to collect additional revenue for the city or county. I’m certainly NOT in favor of “private enterprise” getting into the enforcement of traffic laws!

It is against the law in Texas for police to have a traffic ticket quota (Texas Trans Code §720.002)...

TxStetson · Dec 10, 2018

easy rider said:
It gets worse daily around here it seems, and not enough enforcement to go around. It's one thing when people put their own lives in danger, these fools are putting everyone's life in danger.

I was there a couple weeks ago, and we were headed to lunch and I had 3 people riding with me. Everyone started giving me a hard time saying they could tell I wasn’t from there by the way I stopped at red lights.

bigwheel · Dec 10, 2018

Big stink in Dallas on the school bus cameras just recently. The company apparently gives big bribes to the local democrat poliicians to approve buying the things. Sure its probably legal. Most likely a fund raiser
like the red light cameras.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/65/6525.asp

Is this legal? School district ticketng motorists for passing school busses.

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