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    toddnjoyce

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    Today’s work was to swap the VQ auto bolt release to the BX trigger, install the BQ extended mag release, install the mod’d BX, and clean her up.

    Before

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    Trigger groups ready for surgery, original on the right.

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    Post op, mod’d BX on the left

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    Back in one piece, clean, and ready for load testing on Tuesday.

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    toddnjoyce

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    It's 47.5% barrel, 47.5% new gun, 2.5% optics, so I've been doing some research. Kidd gets the barrel money, archangel gets the stock money, I'll re-use the receiver, BX25 trigger, and scope for now.

    If platform wins out, it's a toss up so far. Reviewed the CZ455 American Combo, comes with both a .22LR and 17HMR barrel. Both seem to be acceptably accurate. Then, there's the CZ457 in a couple of variants; a straight up target, a multi-caliber, and a 'precision trainer' which just has a MacMillan stock. Not a whole lot of info on the 457, as it hit the streets in 18Q4. Looked at the Magnun Research and Tikka T1x, too. Not a lot to be found on those platforms, except the T1X can be dropped into a T3x chassis, maybe.

    Keep up the votes; y'all are spending my money so make it count.
     

    TexMex247

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    Well, I'm not sure if I'm the best or worst person to answer here. I voted barrel and more and have gone down this road about 10 times over the years with 10/22s. I started with a pre 06' rifle years ago that had the old school aluminum trigger group. After 700 dollars or so of total investment, I ended up with a rifle that did pretty well in this rimfire competition we had here years ago... https://www.texasguntalk.com/posts/606930/
    After building out that one, the snowball grew bigger. I put together a few ultralites with Kidd and Zimmerman barrels, Several HB rifles, Kidd, Er shaw, Ruger Hammered, etc as well as some compact carbines with a good spectrum of optics. In the end, I did conclude that the barrel will make the most difference.

    Today I have about a dozen 10/22s and they are all equally fun to shoot but the most accurate have had trigger work, barrels upgraded and headspaced bolts. Since you already have the trigger, a quality barrel is the next best step IMO. Also, the Mueller APV may be one of the best values for a precision rimfire rifle out there. I do have to agree with a few other posters here that maybe that original rifle is best kept as is, like a classic truck. I have a feeling that won't be the only 10/22 you ever own.
     
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    toddnjoyce

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    .... I do have to agree with a few other posters here that maybe that original rifle is best kept as is, like a classic truck. I have a feeling that won't be the only 10/22 you ever own.

    Plain Jane, as she sits, can be reverted back to factory stock in about 10mins. I’ve been careful to keep all the original bits/pieces.

    If barrel wins, I’ll end up with another receiver by then end of the year for the new barrel.

    The challenge with Plane Jane is she’s a carbine with the barrel band. That means there’s limited choices for an in-stock barrel upgrade.

    I appreciate your thoughts and input.
     

    easy rider

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    Plain Jane, as she sits, can be reverted back to factory stock in about 10mins. I’ve been careful to keep all the original bits/pieces.

    If barrel wins, I’ll end up with another receiver by then end of the year for the new barrel.

    The challenge with Plane Jane is she’s a carbine with the barrel band. That means there’s limited choices for an in-stock barrel upgrade.

    I appreciate your thoughts and input.
    Yeah, you'll get better accuracy with a free floated barrel.
     

    Texas Heat

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    I'd start with the RPR and get some glass and couple cheap bolt/mag upgrades. It's done at that point. I doubt I'll ever be overqualified to shoot that configuration. The only 10/22 I'd go further on is a takedown model as not many manufacturers offer that configuration. I have a brand new never fired carbine I'll probably put up for sale to fund my RPR.
     

    Dawico

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    I'd start with the RPR and get some glass and couple cheap bolt/mag upgrades. It's done at that point. I doubt I'll ever be overqualified to shoot that configuration. The only 10/22 I'd go further on is a takedown model as not many manufacturers offer that configuration. I have a brand new never fired carbine I'll probably put up for sale to fund my RPR.

    I agree on getting a RPR. Personally I need an adjustable stock so that takes precedence.

    I would leave the heirloom untouched in the safe for the kids.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Range Report: BX Trigger & Ammo test

    Well, Tuesday Night at the Range (tm) was informative in several aspects.

    First, the BX trigger was much smoother and and a great addition. It’s not a benchrest trigger, but it’s a great addition, as is the VQ mag extension. Wish I would’ve done those mods a long time ago, as it just makes Plane Jane more fun to shoot.

    As for the ammo test, 7 loads went to the range, three SV and four HV. The HV loads at 50 yds just aren’t a good choice. Having said that, I’ll report on the Aguila Target as a control, CCI SV, and Blazers, shoot in that order.

    Aguila put another 1.2” group, so it’s repeatable, that’s for sure. CCI SV clocked in at 1.3”, and the Blazer at 1.1”. I think that means for now, Plane Jane is an capable of being average, which for an box-stock 30 year old 10/22 isn’t bad.

    I learned several things tonight that’ll inform whatever the outcome is. First and foremost, optics are important. The duplex reticle is so thick at the crosshairs that it blots out the 1/2” diamonds that serve as the point of aim for the corner targets. Frustrating.

    Barrel. There’s a tone of tips and tricks with a 10/22 to improve precision, but the carbine model I have with the 16.5” taper barrel and barrel band will only do so much. I haven’t even thought to check the headspace, but I’d hazard it’s not what it should be from a precision perspective.

    Cartridge. The .22lr is a humbling cartridge. For kicks and grins I kicked a target out to 100 yds, ran the calculator set up the mortar. That does have some serious implications with the goal to be able to precisely place a bullet on target at various yardage, and makes .17HMR look more attractive.

    Platform. I spent 60 mins on the range and put 35 rounds on target, with two target changes on an automated lane. Lots of time on the rifle, and little things like LoP, comb height, eye relief, reach to trigger, and even seat height, bench height, and seated height to rifle become important to comfort and comfort with being able to consistently reproduce the basics is foundational to precision shooting.

    Keep the votes coming and be what they may, we’ll have a direction to head off in on Friday afternoon.

    Thanks all for your feedback and participation.
     

    TexMex247

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    Glad you got out and had some fun with it. The little stuff goes a long way with the 10/22. Optics, barrel, correct stock for you, trigger, they will all add up.

    It's undeniable, you WILL spend money to make a 10/22 a shooter but it is pretty, dang, rewarding, along the way. In that thread from years ago, several people with anschutz, savages and other rifles never beat my score high scores.

    The 10/22 is a very capable platform within every range of the cartridges performance. In my experience, the best accuracy across barrel lengths comes from standard velocity ammo(< 1080fps) and never HV bullets like cci velocitors or rem viper.

    I could appreciate a bolt rifle purchase myself but if I did I'd be going 22mag or 17HMR. Probably CZ
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Glad you got out and had some fun with it. The little stuff goes a long way with the 10/22. Optics, barrel, correct stock for you, trigger, they will all add up...

    Yep.

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    It's undeniable, you WILL spend money to make a 10/22 a shooter but it is pretty, dang, rewarding, along the way. In that thread from years ago, several people with anschutz, savages and other rifles never beat my score high scores...

    I got a quote on a Kidd super grade barreled receiver. Add in a Mueller APV and an Archangel Precision stock and that’s a good idea of my budget. But it’ll do a ragged hole.

    I could appreciate a bolt rifle purchase myself but if I did I'd be going 22mag or 17HMR. Probably CZ

    If the voters decide bolty is the way to go, I’ve got some decisions to make. The CZ 455 combo gives me both calibers and Boyd’s does support the rifle with an adjustable stock. Add in glass, and it’s a push on the investment.

    Or, Ruger Precision Rimfire and decent glass saves me $400+. Decision point would be 22LR or 17HMR at that point.

    Lots to consider; can’t wait for the survey to close.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Perspective.

    During my military career, I was routinely expected to reliably put a 5.56 round in a 10" circle at 300 yards, first with iron sights, then with an ACOG. Scaling that down, it'a 1.6" circle at 50 yards, and Plane Jane allows me to do that, but pretty much just that.

    My goal is to improve the precision of my shooting, using a rimfire rifle as the tool. Part of that goal implies the tool of choice has to be capable of producing the results desired. It's obvious my tool of choice isn't capable of producing the desired results in it's current form. The next natural question is what are the desired results? Let's say that by end of year, I want to cut my current 50/yd, 5-shot group of 1.1" by 50%, down to .65" center to center, as that's how I'm measuring them today. That's about the size of a dime, or scaled up to 300 yards, thats a 3.6" circle I'm trying to hit, which I don't think is half-bad shooting.

    Changing platforms in the lead by one vote with just over 48 hours to go.
     

    easy rider

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    If you do go with a bolt gun and those are the only two options, I would probably go with the .17HMR. You're already on your way with the .22, although not bolt.

    I will say that I was about to buy a .17HMR at one time until the .17WSM(Savage B-Mag) caught my attention, and I am very happy with the results of that rifle.
     
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    EZ-E

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    I voted Bolt...which ever choice you go with I'd be happy to shoot at the Reunion in April...unless you get stuck with that class for work you were trying to get out of.
     
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