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  • majormadmax

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    LE is taught AD NAUSEAM they are a target. Cops don't appreciate, enjoy, or otherwise want to be a target; its kind of a shi*** feeling, and puts you on edge at times. It changes your perspective of people in general, and affects how you interact with them, sometimes negatively. I'd venture to say its a bit depressing, too, having to always operate like someone wants to kill you.

    And then there are those who, apparently solely because they have the right, volunteer to be a target. Never understood that.

    I know and work with a lot of cops, and while they are vigilant, they aren't "on edge" and as nervous as you make them out to be. They are simply cognizant that their uniform--not their weapon--draws attention to them. Sames goes for the military.

    As someone who has regularly OC'd for over three years now, I can attest that the vast majority of the general public doesn't even notice; but anyone who carries, openly or otherwise, needs to be aware of that fact every second they are doing so.

    Your "volunteer to be a target" is pure hypoerbole and unfounded. Provide some evidence to support your claims, and I'll listen to it; but spout pure opinion without any basis of fact, and I automatically turn a deaf ear...
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    sharkey

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    LE is taught AD NAUSEAM they are a target. Cops don't appreciate, enjoy, or otherwise want to be a target; its kind of a shi*** feeling, and puts you on edge at times. It changes your perspective of people in general, and affects how you interact with them, sometimes negatively. I'd venture to say its a bit depressing, too, having to always operate like someone wants to kill you.

    And then there are those who, apparently solely because they have the right, volunteer to be a target. Never understood that.
    I don't understand how I hit a switch on the wall and a light bulb turns on either but I use it every day. 2A is a right and OC is within the law. Some are ok with the added risk. You are not apparently and that is ok. Awareness buys you time, time buys you options and everyone who carries should be trained to deal with an immediate close contact assault. It really is that simple.
    No one cared when I sat by myself in a Lubys in uniform. They sure didn't care that I felt like a fish in a fish bowl. You get over that feeling and feelings do not matter

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    I don't understand how I hit a switch on the wall and a light bulb turns on either but I use it every day. 2A is a right and OC is within the law. Some are ok with the added risk. You are not apparently and that is ok. Awareness buys you time, time buys you options and everyone who carries should be trained to deal with an immediate close contact assault. It really is that simple.
    No one cared when I sat by myself in a Lubys in uniform. They sure didn't care that I felt like a fish in a fish bowl. You get over that feeling and feelings do not matter

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    The added risk you mention... all I'd like to understand is the "why".

    I get that you CAN, I get that its a right.
     

    Mowingmaniac 24/7

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    You there, yeah you!

    Don't like OC?

    Solution: Don't OC...or expect me to justify why and when I do it. Your disapproval of my OCing means nothing to me.

    There's this thing people sometimes say when others try to put their beaks in other people's business.

    I know you know what it is they say doncha...?
     

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    Not demanding justification. Not sure how that was inferred... it definitely wasn't implied.

    Is anyone willing/able to give their "why"?

    Please understand, you don't HAVE TO, it just seems odd no one has (yet) been willing/able.
     

    sharkey

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    The added risk you mention... all I'd like to understand is the "why".

    I get that you CAN, I get that its a right.

    If you get that you can and that it is a right then you have the answer to why. Also, why must you feel you need to understand it, especially if you are not gonna do it? I could talk about a faster draw which in real gun fights is not really relevant 98% of the time. I could talk about how it is easier to dress or how it is more comfortable in TX summers or even more applicable in MI winters. We could talk about how more OC would inoculate people's fears or how it might boost citizen's decisions to embrace the 2A and their right to self defense against not just criminals but the very govt. that wants you to think THEY gave you that right.

    As for added risk, again, you alone will have to make that decision. People, to include first responders, take on added risk all the time and not strictly because it is there job duty but more because they want to help their fellow man.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    LE is taught AD NAUSEAM they are a target. Cops don't appreciate, enjoy, or otherwise want to be a target; its kind of a shi*** feeling, and puts you on edge at times. It changes your perspective of people in general, and affects how you interact with them, sometimes negatively. I'd venture to say its a bit depressing, too, having to always operate like someone wants to kill you.

    And then there are those who, apparently solely because they have the right, volunteer to be a target. Never understood that.

    Not demanding justification. Not sure how that was inferred... it definitely wasn't implied.

    Is anyone willing/able to give their "why"?

    Please understand, you don't HAVE TO, it just seems odd no one has (yet) been willing/able.

    The inferred/implies you speak of is this:

    “And then there are those who, apparently solely because they have the right, volunteer to be a target. Never understood that.”

    You imply that an OC individual is volunteering to be a target, and by extension, since you don’t understand it, those who do must be wrong.

    I’ll grant conversational communications lose context with the written word, but the paragraph exposition that preceded those two statements provided insight to your thought process.

    Not an LEO, but career military, now retired. I OC, and don’t feel like a target when I do.

    The only place I’ve ever felt like a target was in countries hostile to American military presence.
     

    Mowingmaniac 24/7

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    I OC while fuel filling - if you can't understand 'the why' of doing so, think harder......

    I OC in my large yard - if you can't understand why, again really think hard.

    When I check my mail I OC, and ...don't get it? OK, I can't help you.
     

    perfor8

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    I'm retired LE. I'm an LE firearms instructor. I'm for open carry.

    Here's the terrible truth: When LE tells you it's a bad idea to open carry, USUALLY it's because they want to retain their sense of being the "only ones" allowed to open carry. How many police chiefs have you seen over the years stand in front of a camera and endorse gun control? Do you believe that endorsement stemmed from an interest in your safety? It's an ego thing. Some may have a genuine opinion that OC makes you less safe. It's nonsense. I'll debate that all day or at least until you bore me.

    For the most part, predators are looking for week, slow, unaware (read, not dangerous) prey. They will, generally, pass up those seen as strong, fast, and vigilant (read, dangerous). Some of the predators we've bred and trained on the streets of the proverbial inner cities are true warriors, obviously not in the honorable sense. Their instincts are finely honed to see - and accurately interpret - signals, body language, facial expressions, eye contact, and other body motions and indicators that they use to determine who the SAFE (safe to attack) targets are. A man open-carrying is sending at least one very big signal that he is not easy prey and not safe to attack. Other signals he sends may contradict or confirm that. I'm a God-fearing Christian, but at this (basic safety) level of operation we're all animals and if you want to be tuned in to the dangers of this world you have to think like one. If I'm out with my family, the gun is OC'd.

    But, predators aren't the only danger to those that OC. One must always be aware of mentally unstable persons who are not predictable and may be triggered into dangerous action by the sight of a weapon. I don't personally know anything about tho OP's referenced story but I'd surmise mental instability played a role. I kind of lump those who are mentally unstable and those severely intoxicated/high into the same "unpredictable and therefore dangerous" group for purposes of caution re open carry. Admittedly, today's ANTIFA/SJW crowd (unable to process information for themselves) are increasing the likelihood of encountering unstable persons while OCing. So, those rendered non-rational, either by nature, substance abuse, or refusal to think, are a risk to those that open carry. The difference being as follows... THEY ARE NOT WARRIORS and therefore should be somewhat easier to foil. Referring back to the OP article, a 21 year old carrying 2 pistols, a shotgun and a machete for purposes of getting girls' phone numbers, is not representational of the typical OC. I hope.

    Another, small, reason I open carry is to "inoculate" the non-gun public into being comfortable with seeing guns in public. It's shameful that we've come to this as a country - a man can't carry a gun around without causing a stir. We should all be free to go to the bank, grocery store, court house, etc. with an AK slung on our back.
     

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    @perfor8, @sharkey... thank you for your rationale, that's specifically what I was asking about.

    @perfor8, you are particularly eloquent, and dare I say, convincing.

    I had not even thought about inoculating fears... that would certainly be to the benefit of everyone. Seems the two of y'all could have some persuasive conversation with any inquisitive folks.
     

    Mowingmaniac 24/7

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    As long as OC is legal I'll do so when I want.

    As far as de-sensitizing the public by seeing me OC, I just don't GAS about that. I'm not some evangelizing ambassador nor am I on some crusade to convince the antis or the wish washy who might faint dead away when seeing a firearm holstered or slung and I want to gently persuade them by their witnessing me OCing. Screw that and them. It's legal. These antis don't care if I faint when I hear their pro-commie stance or behavior.

    If my OCing performs some sort of 'inoculation' than it's a mere by-product. Fact is, I do what I do without looking for anything beyond doing my best to keep from being predated upon......
     

    easy rider

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    I can tell those that don't OC, that it's very rare while OC'ing that people feel the need to be confrontational to me. I OC mainly for my convenience, not for the respect, that's just a perk. In the winter it's more convenient to CC, in the summer I most often have my shirt tucked in (I don't care to sweat on my gun). If I need to go into a place that has a 30.07 sign, then I'll pull my shirt out for that time period.
     

    perfor8

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    As long as OC is legal I'll do so when I want.

    As far as de-sensitizing the public by seeing me OC, I just don't GAS about that. I'm not some evangelizing ambassador nor am I on some crusade to convince the antis or the wish washy who might faint dead away when seeing a firearm holstered or slung and I want to gently persuade them by their witnessing me OCing. Screw that and them. It's legal. These antis don't care if I faint when I hear their pro-commie stance or behavior.

    If my OCing performs some sort of 'inoculation' than it's a mere by-product. Fact is, I do what I do without looking for anything beyond doing my best to keep from being predated upon......

    I can respect all that. However, would you OC if it was illegal? OCing, and inoculating the public to that effrontery, could play a part in keeping it legal.
     

    Mowingmaniac 24/7

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    perfor8,

    I legally do what I do for me and mine.

    I'm not an 2nd A evangelist or crusader as some think of themselves.

    If you are, hallelujah.....

    I have zero interest in trying convince some nanny state anti, they will never see the light and I've no interest in showing it to them.

    Eff em.
     
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