New toy

I purchased a Sig M17 about a month ago. Being an old Army guy, I decided I "needed" the military's newly issued firearm.
My local gun store had it in stock. They made me a pretty good deal, plus I got a free M17 cap.
I have not shot this pistol yet. In fact I haven't even cleaned it.

Does anyone have an M17 and can you report on how it is to shoot.
I have an FDE P320c, so I imagine the pistols will be very similar.

I got one too a couple weeks ago. I did have an issue first range trip with 17 rounds in the mag + 1 in the chamber failure to eject the first round. The mag springs are very stiff. I would keep the mags loaded for a couple days and it should be good to go. Very accurate pistol congrats!

Thanks.
This will just be a range gun. I typically load five rounds per mag, so hopefully the mag springs will not be an issue. Thanks for the comments. I will keep an eye on the mags.

I did a lot of internet research prior to my purchase.
I don't place a lot of stock in what writers and reviewers report, unless they buy the firearm. If someone allows you to borrow a firearm you can't turn around and give it a bad review. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I enjoy hearing about people's actual experiences with a certain firearm.

Side note: Boldkarma you have an Airborne emblem. I am not familiar with the patch. I was two days away from being part of the 101st Airborne Infantry back in 1968. The Army decided I was needed more in Germany than Vietnam.
All that infantry training and I ended up in Germany driving a Jeep for the CO and being the Company Armorer.
Army Intelligence at it's finest.

That is the 525 Military Intelligence Brigade, Fort Bragg, part of the 18th Airborne Corps. I wore the gagging dragon patch prior to the 525 patch created in 85'

Regards

OLDVET said:

Thanks.
This will just be a range gun. I typically load five rounds per mag, so hopefully the mag springs will not be an issue. Thanks for the comments. I will keep an eye on the mags.

I did a lot of internet research prior to my purchase.
I don't place a lot of stock in what writers and reviewers report, unless they buy the firearm. If someone allows you to borrow a firearm you can't turn around and give it a bad review. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I enjoy hearing about people's actual experiences with a certain firearm.

Side note: Boldkarma you have an Airborne emblem. I am not familiar with the patch. I was two days away from being part of the 101st Airborne Infantry back in 1968. The Army decided I was needed more in Germany than Vietnam.
All that infantry training and I ended up in Germany driving a Jeep for the CO and being the Company Armorer.
Army Intelligence at it's finest.

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Could be a count your blessings thing. Lots of our boys didn't get out of that jungle alive.

My brother went in 1968 too. Stayed in the Navy 23 years.

Oh yeah, I ordered one of the M17's too. Looking forward to shooting it soon.

To be honest with you it is more like a guilt I carry around. Me and many more did all of the training to become Airborne Infantry. We became proficient at what the Army taught us. Then the Army goes "oh never mind".
The remaining guys I trained with went to Vietnam. I am sure many of them did not come home.
Yes, I am thankful I did not go, but I feel like I cheated on them.

Turns out I was sent to Germany to help bolster the 3rd Armored Division. Seems the Russians had moved there tanks along the Germany border. Our tanks were out numbered 10 to 1. It would have been shooting fish in a barrel for the Russians. Ever time "Ivan" started one of his tanks, our tanks went to the field for maneuvers. Nothing like a line of tanks and other large vehicles rumbling through the small German streets at 4 or 5 in the morning to endear the locals.

I've got the M17's civilian brother. Police trade in, full size 9mm. It's never had a malfunction while I've owned it. Shoots soft as well. Overall, it's a very comfortable pistol to shoot. The type I could shoot a case of ammo through in a weekend. I have the medium grip and others have said the grip is a little too wide for their liking. That all differs from one shooter to the next though.

One aspect I really like is how easy it is to completely disassemble the entire firearm. The modular system is very neat and allows for many different configurations of slide/grip sizes.

I believe Sig is giving away 2 extended mags w/ every M17 purchase right now.

Damn.
All I got was a lousy black cap with a yellow M17 emblem on the front.

OLDVET said:

Damn.
All I got was a lousy black cap with a yellow M17 emblem on the front.

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And a gun almost as good as a Glock. Don't forget that.

OLDVET said:

To be honest with you it is more like a guilt I carry around. Me and many more did all of the training to become Airborne Infantry. We became proficient at what the Army taught us. Then the Army goes "oh never mind".
The remaining guys I trained with went to Vietnam. I am sure many of them did not come home.
Yes, I am thankful I did not go, but I feel like I cheated on them.

Turns out I was sent to Germany to help bolster the 3rd Armored Division. Seems the Russians had moved there tanks along the Germany border. Our tanks were out numbered 10 to 1. It would have been shooting fish in a barrel for the Russians. Ever time "Ivan" started one of his tanks, our tanks went to the field for maneuvers. Nothing like a line of tanks and other large vehicles rumbling through the small German streets at 4 or 5 in the morning to endear the locals.

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Keep in mind. Back then we went where we were told, and when. Uncle Sam made us and used us as he willed. And each of us was a COG in the wheel. That wheel needed us all. You owe nobody any guilt for following orders. Stand tall Brother and thanks for serving. I was Air Force 74-78 and have been told I wasn't really in the Military.That's BS too.

I know the M17 is slightly different than the P320, but the P320 is a great pistol. The only thing that I can tell you as an upgrade is that I really like the Apex trigger. Makes it a dream to shoot.

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And a gun almost as good as a Glock. Don't forget that.

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Which is almost as good as a pile of rocks and a mediocre pitching arm.

"And a gun almost as good as a Glock. Don't forget that."
I would have to pass on that statement. I think the CZ P10C is the pistol Glock should have made.
I have one in black and one in FDE. I enjoy both of them. They feel good in your hand and are easy to shoot.
If you shop around you can find one for around $100 less that a G19.
I am not a Glock hater. In fact I own six in various models. I have a G19 that I love. I have about $950 invested in it to get it to where I enjoy shooting it.
It has an KKM match barrel, the frame was reshaped, trigger work, and fiber optic sights.
Still haven't had the M17 to the range. Maybe I will go to Elm Fork and mingle with the TGT people who will be there.

OLDVET said:

To be honest with you it is more like a guilt I carry around. Me and many more did all of the training to become Airborne Infantry. We became proficient at what the Army taught us. Then the Army goes "oh never mind".
The remaining guys I trained with went to Vietnam. I am sure many of them did not come home.
Yes, I am thankful I did not go, but I feel like I cheated on them.

Turns out I was sent to Germany to help bolster the 3rd Armored Division. Seems the Russians had moved there tanks along the Germany border. Our tanks were out numbered 10 to 1. It would have been shooting fish in a barrel for the Russians. Ever time "Ivan" started one of his tanks, our tanks went to the field for maneuvers. Nothing like a line of tanks and other large vehicles rumbling through the small German streets at 4 or 5 in the morning to endear the locals.

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I carry a bit of guilt like that around. Every time I turned around I missed out on a deployment. All of my peers went, worst I did was Korea. I really wanted to go. It's been pointed out to me that I wasn't meant to go, might not have made it back.

I've learned to live with it.


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45tex said:

Keep in mind. Back then we went where we were told, and when. Uncle Sam made us and used us as he willed. And each of us was a COG in the wheel. That wheel needed us all. You owe nobody any guilt for following orders. Stand tall Brother and thanks for serving. I was Air Force 74-78 and have been told I wasn't really in the Military.That's BS too.

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I was talking to a new friend last week. He is an army reserve veteran.
He told me all about the howitzers he fired, his training, his hearing loss because of it.
Told me he was never called up to Vietnam so he doesn't feel like a veteran.

I don't think I changed his mind but I don't see a difference. We did what was asked of us.

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Most of those who went to Nam were volunteers. Because of student deferments it was the best educated we ever had. The average was higher than WWII.

Read the book Stolen Valor by H.K. Burdette. First part examines the true stats versus what lies the media told.

OLDVET said:

To be honest with you it is more like a guilt I carry around. Me and many more did all of the training to become Airborne Infantry. We became proficient at what the Army taught us. Then the Army goes "oh never mind".
The remaining guys I trained with went to Vietnam. I am sure many of them did not come home.
Yes, I am thankful I did not go, but I feel like I cheated on them.

Turns out I was sent to Germany to help bolster the 3rd Armored Division. Seems the Russians had moved there tanks along the Germany border. Our tanks were out numbered 10 to 1. It would have been shooting fish in a barrel for the Russians. Ever time "Ivan" started one of his tanks, our tanks went to the field for maneuvers. Nothing like a line of tanks and other large vehicles rumbling through the small German streets at 4 or 5 in the morning to endear the locals.

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You served. Not only that, you served during wartime well aware of what might be asked of you, and you appear to have done it without complaint.

It's a hell of a lot more than I did - I blew out my legs doing morning PT in ROTC, if you can believe that. Compartmentalized both shins because I went from recovering from pneumonia to running 3 miles every morning too quickly. There went that career...

Anyway, you're as much a veteran as anyone who served. You're as much a veteran as my disabled vet dad. So you're not a combat veteran. You would've been if one or two things were different, and you wouldn't have complained about it. That's admirable, man. You have my thanks.

Guys I appreciate your comments. I am proud I served. I even volunteered for the draft back in 1968.

The thorn under the blanket is I did all of the training. I did advanced infantry training at a hell hole called Camp Crockett in Georgia. We lived in Quonset huts, the porta-potties were always full and made your eyes water if you even got close to one. In the ten weeks of training most of us bathed less than two or three times in the shower 1/4 mile down the road. We took advantage of the sporadic afternoon rains to rinse off.
The training was grueling. Get up at 4am and run two miles. Eat cold C ratios with dirty utensils.
All day long we had instructors telling us we were the most feared fighting men on the planet. There was even a large arched entry into the training area we had to run under each morning.They pumped us up like a football coach does with his team before a big game. The Army taught me how to kill with all of the weapons available to the Infantry at the time. Other more uncommon items like pointed sticks, boot laces, and well placed finger pokes. At the end of the training there was not one of us that wasn't 100% ready to go and kill.
It was a bolt out of the blue when they tell you your are not going after all of the training BS. Several of us were so pissed we blew up a porta-potty with some C4 we had taken from our explosives training session.
It was a real ordeal to go from being a "rabid dog" to becoming a COs driver in less than two months.
I would have probably never made the transition without the help of my mother's cousin that lived near my base in Germany. He was a full Bird Colonel and had completed many tours in Vietnam. He flew assault Hueys and had numerous battle encounters. I met him and we became family. He and I spent many hours talking about my feelings. Hell, he was a Vietnam hero, who am I to complain. He had the many bullet scars to prove his resolve.
My life with his family was easy. I even met and dated a one star general's daughter for a few months. This was kept a secret since it is against the Uniform Code of Military Justice for an enlisted man to mingle with officer grade personnel off base.

I will always feel I let my other trainees down. I know I had no control over the decision, but the regret will always be there. Thank God for the young people serving today.
Sorry for the oration, I am bored here at work today.

I had an M17, loved shooting it. Traded it for a black P320 RX compact with the Romeo 1 red dot.

This is my first red dot pistol and I don't have enough rounds downrange to say if I like it or not.

That being said, I prefer my Beretta.

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