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  • majormadmax

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    I dont accept your view point and you dont accept mine. I'm good with it
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    AMF.

    So you're telling me that during your four years in the military you never got a LOAC and/or ROE briefs?

    Plus, I am not spouting a "viewpoint," I am providing the official US military policy and regulations on what is allowed and not allowed in conflict.

    And I'll follow your "AMF" with a "GFY." Have a nice day!
     

    Mowingmaniac 24/7

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    My Dad was a WW11 combat soldier in the Pacific campaign. He fought in Okinawa and was part of General Mark Clark's soldiers in the occupation of Japan.

    He told me of atrocities by our guys was common. Yes, enemy soldiers were guilty of this too, but our guys weren't immune to it either.

    Here's one: His Platoon Leader loved to lure Japs out of caves with promises of food and amnesty and then light em up with a flame thrower when they reluctantly came out.
     

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    Yeah, for reasons I can't explain, that's how I post it.

    I'm supposed to use capital I's not 1's - oh well, maybe next time I'll get it right, but if not, I'll look into get eye glasses....
     

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    Yeah, for reasons I can't explain, that's how I post it.

    I'm supposed to use capital I's not 1's - oh well, maybe next time I'll get it right, but if not, I'll look into get eye glasses....

    I debated whether I should mention it, but it just kept nagging at me. Like golf shoes on a sidewalk.


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    Big Green

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    My Dad was a WW11 combat soldier in the Pacific campaign. He fought in Okinawa and was part of General Mark Clark's soldiers in the occupation of Japan.

    He told me of atrocities by our guys was common. Yes, enemy soldiers were guilty of this too, but our guys weren't immune to it either.

    Here's one: His Platoon Leader loved to lure Japs out of caves with promises of food and amnesty and then light em up with a flame thrower when they reluctantly came out.
    Atrocities are well recorded throughout history of the vanquishing armies upon their foes.

    In times past we may think of them as less civilized than we and they did not know better. How far back, or recently, do we think of them that way?

    Imperial Japan prior to WWII was a brutal empire and their atrocities still have barely seen the light of day.

    Digressing, while stationed in Okinawa, our squadron got NAVAIR permission to paint the tail of one aircraft. The “winning” submission in the squadron was a Rising Sun. Even the CO was onboard until HQMC denied it due to sensitivity concerning the countries we flew into. Several countries in that part of the world still harbored ill feelings about the Japanese. I personally had a problem with it due to a Japanese symbol on a U.S. aircraft but that was not the reason it was ultimately denied. That was in 2007.

    Fast forward we think of ourselves as above the fray and better than many of the enemies we face. Our culture rightly condemns violence and killing but then we ask our young men to go to war and kill the enemy. There is a desensitization to killing that is required. I think back to the question about “What makes the grass grow?” “BLOOD! BLOOD!” Some will take that and run with it. Wrong? Absolutely. But how do we do it without flipping that switch permanently on some? You make killing acceptable and warranted and then expect them to not go to far even with the atrocities they see the enemy commit against their brothers in arms. Is it right? Again no, but how do we as a culture balance those things?

    Obviously some take it too far and we must hold them accountable. To me it becomes challenging though to understand how we put people in those situations when we abide by the “rules” of combat knowing that our enemy does not and expect us to always take the high road. How many times can you see the enemy take advantage of our adherence to the ROE and not start to wish we fight fire with fire?

    I do not defend the actions of that SEAL team or individual members if the allegations are true. Merely I hope to eventually understand how we deal with the things that happen in war.
     

    karlac

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    How many times can you see the enemy take advantage of our adherence to the ROE and not start to wish we fight fire with fire?

    .... Merely I hope to eventually understand how we deal with the things that happen in war.

    You put the solution before the problem ...
     

    toddnjoyce

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    ...Our culture rightly condemns violence and killing but then we ask our young men to go to war and kill the enemy...

    Don’t forget the vast majority of trigger pullers that actually see combat do this within the bounds set upon them.

    If that switch gets flipped, it cannot be acceptable, if for no other reason than the breakdown of good order and discipline that it represents.

    I think back to Abu Ghraib. A sitting American President apologizing for the actions of at least 17 US soldiers, officers, and CIA employees. Those actions can never be acceptable if we intend to remain the shining city on the hill that carries the world’s only super power card.
     

    V-Tach

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    From my understanding...he originally was cleared and good to go.....

    but...........

    He just had to do an interview with a Lib reporter and run his mouth about it.........instead of just going on about his life...........

    Self inflicted, imho.....
     

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    And Navy SEAL Chief Craig Miller, the leading petty officer of SEAL Team 7 Alpha Platoon, said he witnessed Gallagher stabbing the wounded ISIS fighter...
    Miller said the fighter, who was speaking, had a leg wound but no other noticeable injuries.

    Gallagher then began assessing the fighter's wounds. When he put pressure on the man's leg, the fighter raised himself up, seemingly in pain, and screamed. Miller testified that he used his boot to push him back down before leaving the scene to go back to the vehicle.

    About 15 minutes later, Miller testified, he returned and walked around a Humvee where he saw SEAL medics working on the fighter from about 12 feet away. Gallagher, he said, was kneeling down on the fighter's right side.

    "I kept walking and I saw him stab the prisoner in the neck," Miller said. He pointed to the right side of his own neck to show where the stabbing occurred. Gallagher stabbed him "once or twice," Miller said.

    Miller testified that blood came pouring out of the fighter's neck, which "looked similar to a baby throwing up."

    Later that evening, Miller testified, the SEALs had a meeting to discuss the day's events. Miller said, "I told them what I saw and I asked if anybody was okay with it." Towards the end of the meeting, Gallagher walked in and pulled Miller aside, and the junior sailor testified that he told him, "Eddie, the guys are not good with this," When Gallagher asked which guys, Miller said, "I'm not good with it."

    Miller also said Gallagher threatened him in a parking lot soon after they returned from deployment. In a meeting Miller testified that he attended along with Lt. Portier (SEAL platoon commander), Gallagher, and Lt. Thomas MacNeill, he quoted Gallagher as saying he "had shit on all of us" and if we said any more "he'd take us all down."

    Gallagher is also facing charges he fired on innocent civilians during a deployment to Mosul, Iraq in 2017.
     

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    And Navy SEAL Chief Craig Miller, the leading petty officer of SEAL Team 7 Alpha Platoon, said he witnessed Gallagher stabbing the wounded ISIS fighter...


    Gallagher is also facing charges he fired on innocent civilians during a deployment to Mosul, Iraq in 2017.
    Well, we know one thing with 100% certainty. One of these two SEALS is a liar.
     
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