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    He is still subject to it. A LEO should know where he may legally carry. I bet he expects the "civilians" in his jurisdiction to know.
    Now we are just splitting hairs and now changing subject. Is Ohio OC? I dunno but if a civilian was OC and came to the IRS, I already stated the guard shouldn't draw his gun so again, I think some of you'll are just resentful that LEOs can carry in places civilians can not.

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    Now we are just splitting hairs and now changing subject. Is Ohio OC? I dunno but if a civilian was OC and came to the IRS, I already stated the guard shouldn't draw his gun so again, I think some of you'll are just resentful that LEOs can carry in places civilians can not.

    There are 2 issues being discussed at the same time here. Bottom line: cop broke the law, and the security guard went off the handle. A better outcome would have been for the guard to calmly inform the cop of the law, then contact a LEO with jurisdiction to arrest the cop.
     

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    Majormadmax, I am not going to quote your long reply. I will just say that maybe you should remind the next officer that stops you to cite you for every law you broke instead of him cutting you a break since you seem intent on enforcing every law. It is only fair right? Don't disagree with him on anything else, cuz I would hate for him to draw down on you for "failure to comply"

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    There are 2 issues being discussed at the same time here. Bottom line: cop broke the law, and the security guard went off the handle. A better outcome would have been for the guard to calmly inform the cop of the law, then contact a LEO with jurisdiction to arrest the cop.
    Well you were making sense until the last sentence. Same thing I said to majormadmax, remind the next cop that stops you not to cut you a break but to enforce the law to the fullest extent possible. It is only fair since you broke it.

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    Well you were making sense until the last sentence. Same thing I said to majormadmax, remind the next cop that stops you not to cut you a break but to enforce the law to the fullest extent possible. It is only fair since you broke it.

    I bet you if I got caught carrying in a gun free zone, like inside a school, I'd be arrested. This guy should be held accountable to the same standards as everyone else.
     

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    The officer probably had no clue till he was told.
    OK, the deputy was ignorant. But what was he told? I don't think any of us know.
    What did the security guard think he was going to accomplish?
    It depends on what he told the deputy. If he told the deputy "You've broken federal law. Remain here until we can get a Federal Protective Service officer out here to arrest you." then how is he supposed to respond to an armed individual fleeing arrest, however calmly and slowly that armed individual is doing so?

    If that's what happened, I'm going to find it hilarious if the FPS decides to back the security guard and arrest the deputy. That outcome is unlikely; the FPS wouldn't want the publicity. But it's still possible.

    If the deputy is dumb enough to also try to sue the IRS and/or the FPS, it becomes probable.
     
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    If he told the deputy "You've broken federal law. Remain here until we can get a Federal Protective Service officer out here to arrest you." then how is he supposed to respond to an armed individual fleeing arrest, however calmly and slowly that armed individual is doing so?

    I don't believe the security guard had arrest authority. So, he is supposed to watch the suspect leave and be a good witness.
     

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    Simple Case of 2 Stupid people met each other.

    Cop illegally carried in Fed Facility (give him credit for leaving when told).

    Security guard did good telling him to leave.

    Train went off the rails when guard pulled gun on cop leaving.
     

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    I don't believe the security guard had arrest authority. So, he is supposed to watch the suspect leave and be a good witness.
    I agree that's what he should have done. Absolutely.

    But I don't know what he was trained to do. Many security guards detain people. How many dust-ups have we seen over, for example, shoplifters being detained by security guards?

    AFAIK, the private security at federal facilities can detain people pending arrest. I've seen it done. But I don't know for sure if they have full legal authority to do so. Maybe what I saw was a guard just being intimidating and convincing someone to sit still until the FPS arrived, i.e. I could be completely off-base.

    I imagine we'll hear more on this particular point in the coming months.
     
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    Simple Case of 2 Stupid people met each other.

    Cop illegally carried in Fed Facility (give him credit for leaving when told).

    Security guard did good telling him to leave.

    Train went off the rails when guard pulled gun on cop leaving.

    Well now that makes sense. Stop it. Too bad there was no FPS there because so many want to the cop arrested.
     

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    Too bad there was no FPS there because so many want to the cop arrested.
    I hope nobody really wanted that. Yeah, I know I said it would be funny. It would. The deputy is suing on flimsy grounds and if some karma slaps him now, I won't feel sorry for him.

    But on that day? If the FPS had been providing security, the deputy wouldn't have been arrested. If he didn't need to go past the second security perimeter, he would have been allowed to do his business and leave. That's the usual SOP at those small satellite offices, even if it's not technically compliant with the law. It's just not a big enough deal to make a fuss over.
     

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    You know what they say, opinions are like a..holes, we all got them. That is what makes forums so entertaining.
     

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    Majormadmax, I am not going to quote your long reply. I will just say that maybe you should remind the next officer that stops you to cite you for every law you broke instead of him cutting you a break since you seem intent on enforcing every law. It is only fair right? Don't disagree with him on anything else, cuz I would hate for him to draw down on you for "failure to comply"

    Now that's funny! You are saying I am expected to abide by the laws, but LEOs aren't?!?

    And you keep avoiding the fact that the deputy was the cause of this situation in the first place. There is no excuse for his entering a Federal facility armed and then failing to comply with the law once notified.

    Now, after reading this article, that deputy has lost all credibility he may have had whatsoever...

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/security-guard-pleads-guilty-pulling-gun-ohio-sheriffs/story?id=64346648

    Notice how he fails to mention he was at fault as well?!?
     
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