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  • Wildcat Diva

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    This is not a snark at you whatsoever, I guess it depends upon the person and their comfort level with doing so.

    Some days my gun comes out the holster many times when running errands back and forth to the house, and also gun free zones.
    I get it. I just don’t think it’s a good idea, especially when there’s no great place to stash it.

    If you had to go through that bathroom scenario every hour or two, it would get old.
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    Reinz

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    Now that I think back, diligent conscious effort towards safe gun handling was magnified more so when carrying for 20 years before our CHL laws were passed. Because if negligence occurred, I was in a heap of trouble!
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    Also, think about it. Peeing is not time consuming in and of itself. By the time I take the gun out and situate it in the pants hammock, it’s time to pull the pants back up again. What’s the point of stashing it there?
     

    AustinN4

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    I’m kind of used to it, and my pants waist/ belt/ gun stays about at knee level (it doesn’t hit the floor). Still there’s a lot of handiwork to get the other articles of clothing (like a tucked in shirt, and underwear) out of the way while hanging on to your belt ends somewhat. And if you’re properly hydrated, you might be a bit desperately in a hurry to make it through all that in time before you spring a leak. Also: hopefully your body shape involves long enough thighs so that your gun is not clanking against the ceramic of the bowl.
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    Hoji

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    There is no finders keepers rule in real life. Just like finding money than fell off an armored car and keeping it is theft so is this. Keeping it would be stupid especially since you know it's not yours and will be reported stolen.

    It will probably be some unknowing dude 5 owners from now that gets arrested for the stolen gun.

    This is relatively common, I've had officers leave their whole duty belt hainging on the stall door or gun on the TP. How you can not notice your whole duty belt missing is something I will never understand.

    My advice is...The duty belt goes around your neck or chest if you have to take it off. If your carrying in a single holster you cant leave clipped to your pants it goes in the hammock, i.e. your underwear, you cant forget it there.

    Oh, a warning to those who think they are too smart to ever be there....karma loves to live in arrogance. You never know when some big issue will distract you so never deviate from what ever steps you take in similar circumstances or you will phuck up. Maybe not today or this decade but it will happen if you let arrogance and over familiarity to creep in.

    Knock on wood, toss some salt and avoid ladders and unsecured mirrors.
    If the gun ends up in Texas , and the person who has it does not know, or have reason to know , that it is stolen , no charge. Will lose the gun, but simply being is possession of stolen property is not a crime here.
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    You never lose SIGHT of your gun.
    But why would you need to put it anywhere? If you squat and pee in a matter of seconds, why even put it anywhere? It’s like you would be doing some series of motions to place it there for no reason, when you can just leave it in on your belt in the holster in the first place. Putting the firearms in the pants hammock would have no purpose for a lady taking a pee.

    It’s like, you might as well hold it. If you’ve made it to the point to where your gun is out of the holster and you have ALSO managed to at the same time drop your drawers and squat, you’ve already mastered the amazing task of acting as if you have three hands. At that point, placing your firearm in the pants hammock for 20 seconds of peeing is kind of anti-climactic. Unnecessary at that point unless you are going to be sitting there for a while.

    Like, as soon as you squat, you are up again in seconds. What’s the point of stashing it there for a few seconds? For any of it, dealing with your clothes and the firearm in and out the holster all at once, you need three hands anyways. If you are going to take your firearm out of the holster, if you then are going to unbuckle and drop your drawers, then really, you need one hand to hold the firearm, then two more hands to deal with getting your belt undone and dropping your drawers.

    Since we don’t have three hands, the easiest thing for peeing is just leaving it in the holster in the first place.
     

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    Any experienced offocer knows that if you are gonna drop a deuce, you hit the Station, your home, or fire station. Ladies do it have it harder. Out in public? Find a private bathroom.
    I always check a restaurant table when we leave for items forgotten, it is the same thing in the bathroom. Amateur.

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    Reinz

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    But why would you need to put it anywhere? If you squat and pee in a matter of seconds, why even put it anywhere? It’s like you would be doing some series of motions to place it there for no reason, when you can just leave it in on your belt in the holster in the first place. Putting the firearms in the pants hammock would have no purpose for a lady taking a pee.

    It’s like, you might as well hold it. If you’ve made it to the point to where your gun is out of the holster and you have ALSO managed to at the same time drop your drawers and squat, you’ve already mastered the amazing task of acting as if you have three hands. At that point, placing your firearm in the pants hammock for 20 seconds of peeing is kind of anti-climactic. Unnecessary at that point unless you are going to be sitting there for a while.

    Like, as soon as you squat, you are up again in seconds. What’s the point of stashing it there for a few seconds? For any of it, dealing with your clothes and the firearm in and out the holster all at once, you need three hands anyways. If you are going to take your firearm out of the holster, if you then are going to unbuckle and drop your drawers, then really, you need one hand to hold the firearm, then two more hands to deal with getting your belt undone and dropping your drawers.

    Since we don’t have three hands, the easiest thing for peeing is just leaving it in the holster in the first place.

    I see your point, and that this system may not work for you.

    I don’t know about IWB holsters, but an OWB holster can get loose with a pistol in it once it is unbuckled.

    Once unbuckled and the pants are dropped thigh level or lower, the holstered gun and holster has no support. This means the with the weight of the gun, the belt will unthread from the pants loops and cause a dangling holster/gun combo hanging down a foot or so. This means as you begin to squat to sit down your gun is banging on either/or/and your knees, commode, or floor.

    An even worse situation is if your belt does not tightly fit your holster, then the whole holster with the gun will slide off the belt after it unthreads from the loops. That means you gun is being dropped from 3-3.5 feet off of the ground.

    So I reckon it just boils down to what works for you.
     

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    One possible solution: Shoulder Holster.

    Yes, it too has it downsides, but allows much freedom of movement with less worry of forgetting to re-holster.
    Yes. Probably a good idea. This and the corset holster have an advantage.

    I actually have mulled over ideas about a design for ladies, some kind of undergarment like leggings that might mimic the waist part of a pants with belt loops, yet was open at the bottom somehow or easily accessed for elimination.

    Some kind of weird, tactical crotchless garment. Now that’s a picture.

    Then loose, elastic pants or a skirt could come up to the belt part of the leggings. A loose fitting top might need to cover the belt. You gotta really have the belt, I think, if the holster allows ready access to the hilt of the gun, which I think I need. Tucked too far down in a pocket (which the corset style holsters seem to involve) means a slow draw. Maybe Anna Taylor can get that done but I’ve practiced enough like that with my corset holster to know it’s not optimum for me to not have the hilt presenting easily.

    (The flash bang is also not optimum. My gun would be drenched with sweat everyday. Ew.)
     

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    I see your point, and that this system may not work for you.

    I don’t know about IWB holsters, but an OWB holster can get loose with a pistol in it once it is unbuckled.

    Once unbuckled and the pants are dropped thigh level or lower, the holstered gun and holster has no support. This means the with the weight of the gun, the belt will unthread from the pants loops and cause a dangling holster/gun combo hanging down a foot or so. This means as you begin to squat to sit down your gun is banging on either/or/and your knees, commode, or floor.

    An even worse situation is if your belt does not tightly fit your holster, then the whole holster with the gun will slide off the belt after it unthreads from the loops. That means you gun is being dropped from 3-3.5 feet off of the ground.

    So I reckon it just boils down to what works for you.

    Yes, you DO get it. All that you said is true.

    My kydex OWB holster fits my gun so snugly that it pops in and out. When firearm is in, can shake holster upside down and firearm doesn’t move. So that’s good. Have to hold at least one end (depending on particular pants) of the belt while belt is unbuckled so belt doesn’t unthread. Some pants have belt loops so snug to the belt that this is less likely.

    I reckon, now that I’m thinking of it, that my belt loops on some pants could be easily tightened with a stitch or two to make this less likely to happen.

    Thanks for the inspiration. I’ll consider some belt loop alterations to improve my carry game.
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    Also, positioning of the firearm on hip is important to consider. The closer I carry to 8:30 the better. If I’m carrying further back, closer to 7:00 (I’m a lefty btw), that’s more likely that the firearm will clank against the bowl.

    Also... hmmm. Perhaps a clockwise shift of the loose pants with the belt grabbed to hold it there would help with that problem.

    A right handed person would of course need a counter clockwise shift.

    I just don’t think about this problem solving stuff during the moments where the main goal is to just get the elimination done.
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    Reinz said:

    “Once unbuckled and the pants are dropped thigh level or lower, the holstered gun and holster has no support. This means the with the weight of the gun, the belt will unthread from the pants loops and cause a dangling holster/gun combo hanging down a foot or so. This means as you begin to squat to sit down your gun is banging on either/or/and your knees, commode, or floor.”

    Luckily, tighter fitting pants are less of a problem with this. Thank goodness that a lot of ladies’ pants do seem cut to fit tighter around the thighs than men’s pants seem to.
     

    Moonpie

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    Gunz are icky.
    Mechanics of weapon retention aside, the doofuss in the OP is a doofuss.
    How does one walk off without your weapon?
    Don't know about y'all but that thing never leaves my sight when doing my business.
     

    TheMailMan

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    Since prostate cancer treatment rearranged my plumbing I need both hands to initiate a stream. I'm really not able to just unzip and go.

    When I need to use a public restroom I always try and get the handicapped stall or a stall with a hook or baby changing table. That way I have somewhere to put that heavy 1911 while I pee. I've had to do this the past four years and always make sure I don't leave my weapon behind.
     

    majormadmax

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    Way too much information on toilet options when carrying...

    Simple fact is as the chief of police, she leads by example; and if she cannot handle the responsibilities of carrying a weapon then she needs to find another line of work.

    It is inexcusable to leave an unsecured weapon anywhere, and more so for those whose profession requires it.

    An apology is nice, but she should resign on principle. With California's strict gun laws, how can you prosecute someone for a weapons violation when senior law enforcement officials cannot be held to a similar standard?!?
     
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