Electric Vehicles here to stay, for good or bad?

txinvestigator · Jul 16, 2019

benenglish said:
I think you're both right, depending on how you look at the question.

You silver tongued devil

txinvestigator · Jul 16, 2019

oldag said:
You quote the exception to try and prove the rule.

Armed forces weaponry (aside from personal weapons) development will ALWAYS be funded by taxpayers. The only market for an AMRAAM is the government. Why would private industry EVER spend its own funds to develop an air to air missile?

I was involved in the development of what later became the current advanced Sidewinder. We were using "technology" (e.g., alloys, materials, control systems) that had been in use for private industry for decades. The manufacturing processes used were old.

No sound reason exists for taxpayers to fund wind turbines or solar panels. This was the point someone accurately made much earlier in this thread, which you disputed.

Let the market drive the use of renewables. If the renewable generation technology cannot stand on its own two feet without taxpayer subsidies, it should not be deployed.

Ok dude. Hope you sleep better now

Brains · Jul 16, 2019

pronstar said:
Teslarati fanbois can be idiots...Tesla has an advertising/marketing budget of $0.
This is public knowledge, and quite noteworthy.

They don’t do any advertising or marketing.

I would posit their media events qualify as advertising

Giving the press rides in the new Roadster, and launching one to orbit Mars? Scaring the crap out of journalists by coding the autopilot to do full throttle collision avoidance demonstrations? Towing airplanes with Quantas? Yeah, they weren't the ones doing the writing but they definitely got a lot of advertising out of it all.

pronstar · Jul 16, 2019

Brains said:
I would posit their media events qualify as advertising Giving the press rides in the new Roadster, and launching one to orbit Mars? Scaring the crap out of journalists by coding the autopilot to do full throttle collision avoidance demonstrations? Towing airplanes with Quantas? Yeah, they weren't the ones doing the writing but they definitely got a lot of advertising out of it all.

Technically that’s all under PR but good point

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kbaxter60 · Jul 16, 2019

pronstar said:
Technically that’s all under PR but good point

Perhaps if you get plenty of GOOD PR, you can get by with an advertising budget of zero. It's not really a marketing fundamental to do no promotion of a product, but they ARE selling cars.

HKShooter65 · Jul 17, 2019

Someone mentioned that Tesla may not fare well when competing with the giants like Mercedes, Audi, Porsche......

They really are not in competition at present, as those European giants are aiming at the 70,000 to 100,000 dollar market.

Tesla seems to be betting the farm on the model 3.
That solidly at the much bigger 30,000 to 40,000 market.
Quite different.
And it just bested the BMW 3 in so many ways in the Motor Trend article this month.
That is quite an accomplishment.

It is when Toyota, Honda and Nissan come out with 300 mile sporty EVs for 30-40,000 that things will heat up.

Where the heck are they?

HKShooter65 · Jul 17, 2019

https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/14/honda-e-battery-weight-distribution/

Seems more like they will take aim a the inner city tiny-car commuters first.
Competing with the Smart Car?

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Brains · Jul 17, 2019

Oh look! Another ugly ass little car nobody will want!

txinvestigator · Jul 17, 2019

Brains said:
Oh look! Another ugly ass little car nobody will want!

I dunno, people buy the poop out of Fiats

oldag · Jul 17, 2019

txinvestigator said:
Ok dude. Hope you sleep better now

Wow. What an enlightening response.

HKShooter65 · Jul 17, 2019

Some of you may still think Tesla is a fringe upstart company with a boutique niche market???

Hardly.

Factoid:

Tesla sold 95,200 cars 2019 2nd quarter.

Since Ford started making their F-Series trucks they have averaged 158,000 trucks quarterly.
Tesla sales Q2 2019 were about half F-150 truck sales same quarter.

Not a boutique manufacturer.
And forecasters expect Elon's Model Y crossover to be a home run.

Dan_Reidy · Jul 17, 2019

TWO large RF emissions sources bombarding you brain like 100,000 cell phones...what could go wrong?

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HKShooter65 · Jul 17, 2019

Dan_Reidy said:
TWO large RF emissions sources bombarding you brain like 100,000 cell phones...what could go wrong?

Food is now routinely preserved by irradiation.
Maybe the fields will kill pathogens and extend life.

A perk for EV owners, eh?

God bless Michael Faraday.

Brains · Jul 17, 2019

txinvestigator said:
I dunno, people buy the poop out of Fiats

lol true! TheDan will be along shortly to kick your ass. And maybe mine

SQLGeek · Jul 17, 2019

HKShooter65 said:
Tesla owners are becoming sort of a cult, proselytizing all the time.

Who knew that this would be so prescient in this thread?

pronstar · Jul 17, 2019

txinvestigator said:
I dunno, people buy the poop out of Fiats

They may want the poop, but they ain’t buyin’ the cars...they only sold 15k cars last year and dealerships are closing fast.

Fiat will be gone soon.

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pronstar · Jul 17, 2019

HKShooter65 said:
Some of you may still think Tesla is a fringe upstart company with a boutique niche market???

Hardly.

Factoid:

Tesla sold 95,200 cars 2019 2nd quarter.

Since Ford started making their F-Series trucks they have averaged 158,000 trucks quarterly.
Tesla sales Q2 2019 were about half F-150 truck sales same quarter.

Not a boutique manufacturer.
And forecasters expect Elon's Model Y crossover to be a home run.

I wouldn’t call them boutique.
Their cash flow problems are no joke, though.

Tesla needs the Model Y like yesterday...and they need to somehow maintain margins on the Model 3 as they inch closer to offering the base-model price point.

If anyone can pull it off, it’s Elon.
I’m a fan, but I’m cautiously optimistic.

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HKShooter65 · Jul 17, 2019

SQLGeek said:
Who knew that this would be so prescient in this thread?

Well, I'm an armchair fanboy.

Not buying at the moment.

My auto lease is up in 4 months but the dealer is already bugging me to get in a new car saying they will let me out of the lease at no penalty, an obvious ploy to keep me in their brand. If I change brands then it'll be in 4 months.

I am quite definitely not a motivated buyer even 4 months from now with a paid-for F-250 and Rubicon siting at home!!!

txinvestigator · Jul 17, 2019

pronstar said:
They may want the poop, but they ain’t buyin’ the cars...they only sold 15k cars last year and dealerships are closing fast.

Fiat will be gone soon.

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I see them all over the place. Maybe my area just high a high concentration of them

innominate · Jul 17, 2019

HKShooter65 said:
https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/14/honda-e-battery-weight-distribution/

Seems more like they will take aim a the inner city tiny-car commuters first.
Competing with the Smart Car?

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I was interested in the honda when I saw it a few months back. New electric version of the first civic was what I thought about it. the price would have to be right. But since it's not coming to the states guess it doesn't matter.

Electric Vehicles here to stay, for good or bad?

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