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    Like I said before, I think some low-rent lawyer got to the family and said we can make a lot of money here.
    The cruise lines can't afford to have negative publicity. I am sure they would offer a sizable amount to settle the situation without further media coverage.
    I used to work for a large architectural firm in downtown Dallas. In one of our sexual harassment management meetings the CEO said if a woman filed a sexual harassment against the company, the standard company response would be to offer her $35,000 to settle out of court. I never could get one of our female execs to sexually harass me while I was there.
    $35,000 plus I would have enjoyed the advances!!
     
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    ZX9RCAM said:
    The child was on the ship, and then fell.

    It wasn't the docks fault..
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    My gallows humor saying she didnt die exactly on the ship. Probably too soon I guess.

    Anyways I raised 4 and never once let one get away. The grace of God and a leash. All four wore a wrist leash or harness hooked to a parent during times away from home or to anyplace I felt was dangerous like around unfenced pools or malls etc.

    I had to suggest autofornication to more than a few folks who disapproved of the leash but I've seen a couple dead kids from drowning and at 5 watched my friend hit by a car crossing right in front of me. I can still see the image of him in mid air if I close my eyes 50 years later.

    I've also seen the fear grief and pain from parents who lost kids in these places cause the little boogers can disappear quicker and quieter than a bobcat. Some parents never see them again. Not mine thank God.

    Was it the best way? Well it was my best way and if someone disagree then I'll send them 50 lbs of the finest beach sand in the world to pound on cause i dont care what you think about it. My kids are all adults or almost, alive and I've got 2 grandchildren. So it worked for me.
     
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    I have two children. My youngest is my 31 year old daughter. My oldest is my 41 year old son. Between the two of them I have five grand children.
    Back when my kids were young people were stricter and more protective of their children. It seems to me younger parents are afraid to discipline their children. They want them to be free and and able to express themselves. It was a different culture forty years ago.
    There is another sorry event on the news. Two women of color get into a fight in a parking lot. Okay nothing out of the ordinary, except one woman is holding her three month old son in one of her arms as she fights. She loses grip of the child who then falls to the concrete. The baby dies and the mother is charged with the child's death.
     
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    Noggin said:
    My wife and I took a cruise on that same ship over Christmas/NY holiday. We know the exact spot where the accident took place. From what we know about that part of the ship and the various news reports - The Grandfather was an idiot to lift the child up like he did. It was not necessary because there are glass panels below the rail he put the child on where she could have safely stood on the deck and looked through to smack the glass like he said she wanted to do. Lifting her up and not realising there was an open window simply does not fly. Not all the upper glass panels open those either side of the opening would look quite different to the open one (no tint no dirt). Sorry to say that in this case the Darwin award produced a secondary casualty.
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    Looking at the pic the very first thing you notice is Gpa had to pick up the kid and hold them at the open window close enough that if the kid moved forward on its own it was going to fall. I mean what was Gpa thinking. Not only that he apparently said she likes to bang on the glass window at the hockey games...the pics of that the window is on the floor. Gpa was not thinking.
     
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    SQLGeek said:
    I wonder if grandpa was charged because of the law suit?
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    Most likely because his actions led to the death of a child. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to conclude that picking a child up and putting them on a window sill unsupervised aka being held is retarded. If you know the kid bangs on stuff wouldn’t you at least check it. To this day I check all doors, windows, railings ... that I lean on.
     
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    TAZ said:
    Most likely because his actions led to the death of a child. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to conclude that picking a child up and putting them on a window sill unsupervised aka being held is retarded. If you know the kid bangs on stuff wouldn’t you at least check it. To this day I check all doors, windows, railings ... that I lean on.
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    My reasoning is that because the family is looking to blame someone else, the prosecutor decided to move forward with charges. It's what I wonder anyway.

    It seems clear the grandfather was responsible but we don't always see charges filed in cases of negligence by the the family that results in the death of a child. My presumption is because they figure the family has suffered enough already.
     
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    SQLGeek said:
    My reasoning is that because the family is looking to blame someone else, the prosecutor decided to move forward with charges. It's what I wonder anyway.

    It seems clear the grandfather was responsible but we don't always see charges filed in cases of negligence by the the family that results in the death of a child. My presumption is because they figure the family has suffered enough already.
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    Possible that the family not showing common sense and shutting their Pie holes had an effect on the prosecution.

    Honestly I’m all for more of these cases being pushed forward. Juries and judges can then decide that the parents grand parents have suffered enough with appropriate sentences.
     
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    Geez this rips my heart out. Poor kid. Poor grandfather, he has to live with this for the rest of his life. Poor parents who have to live... Shit is just sad.

    But it also pisses me off. This is EXACTLY why I don't let my children even touch glass, or mirrors. For one, it's a dick move to the person who cleaned it. Second, you just never know. I had a girlfriend in high school who's little brother leaned on a huge ass glass door in the mall and it came loose and fell on him, crushing him. He lived, but not without permanent alterations of his hips.

    I really, REALLY feel for the grandfather but in my opinion this was negligence, and a perfect example of the word, at that. Still, I don't think it calls for jail time. Living with this for the rest of his life, is punishment enough.

    Anyway, I need to go see if my kid is done watching his iPad in the bath, while it charges.
     
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