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  • jordanmills

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    EXACTLY!!! She apparently thought someone was trying to break in and picked up her gun out of a drawer according to her nephew in an obvious (to us after the fact of course) attempt to protect her nephew, herself and her home and was shot for it. If some said put your hands in the air (or whatever) without stating they were police first who wouldn't hesitate.
    I wouldn't hesitate... to fire at the identified target. (at least that's how it goes in my head where I'm the big guy running the story)
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    toddnjoyce

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    Apparently reported to the Officers as an open building ( burglary) call.

    I did not hear burglary. What I heard was the door had been open for 4 hours and both of their cars were in the driveway.

    Again, expectancy is at play. Based on that call, I would expect LEOs to contact the reporting party first, gather additional information, then determine the course of action to take.
     

    Renegade

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    I did not hear burglary. What I heard was the door had been open for 4 hours and both of their cars were in the driveway.

    Again, expectancy is at play. Based on that call, I would expect LEOs to contact the reporting party first, gather additional information, then determine the course of action to take.

    I find it odd he knew enough about his neighbors routines, but he did not know them well enough to know their phone number and call them himself or go over their even though he had been watching the house since 10pm......
     

    toddnjoyce

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    I find it odd he knew enough about his neighbors routines, but he did not know them well enough to know their phone number and call them himself or go over their even though he had been watching the house since 10pm......

    I don’t. Two of my four neighbors are slam-clicks. One is always on, one is always off. I know all four, have phone numbers for two, and one I converse with one routinely.

    What I find odd is that someone would have continuous observation of a house across the street for more than 4 hours starting at 10pm.
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    I don’t. Two of my four neighbors are slam-clicks. One is always on, one is always off. I know all four, have phone numbers for two, and one I converse with one routinely.

    What I find odd is that someone would have continuous observation of a house across the street for more than 4 hours starting at 10pm.


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    jrbfishn

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    That is kind of odd.
    Would like to hear the dispatch recording.
    Caller did not sound panicked or anything, just sounded like he was calling to make sure there was no medical emergency or something. The dispatch could make a lot of difference as to the mindset of the officers when they showed up.

    Home owner sees lights prowling the perimeter, maybe subdued voices as well. Arms herself against possible intruders. Did not go out after them. Sounds like good situational awareness to me. Cover and protect the kid. Perfectly legal and prudent. If the officers were concerned that much about possible burglars/intruders, one covers the back and the officer that went to the front door identifies as such. If one, or more, escapes so be it. The death of the innocent is not acceptable. Period.
    I took Criminal Justice courses in college. Almost all of them tought buy retired cops. Some also retired military cops.

    One overriding thing was constantly drilled into us. The job of patrol officers was to keep innocents and their property safe. The lives of innocents came first. Or you failed. Period.
    To catch the bad guy after that failed was the job of investigation.
    There was a lot of fail to go around.
    Anytime policy puts the lives of innocents at risk over the lives of cops, you have a bad, if not downright cowardly, policy.

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    mongoose

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    I did not hear burglary.

    That is because the neighbor did not report a burgary. I said the dispatcher communicated to the Officers that there was an open structure. An open structure may vary from an accidental door left open to a burglary. An open structure call would be treated with a more vigilance than a welfare check. Burglary was my possible interpretation of an open structure.
     

    mongoose

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    And the neighbor was not the one who reported to the Officers, the 911 operator was. As I said my interpretation was that an open structure as reported to the Officers. by the 911 operator, may have been construed as a burglary.
     

    dfwpi

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    https://www.fox4news.com/video/614610

    No mention of welfare check or burglary.
    Not going to go back and listen to recording again, but you do realize most call details are sent via patrol unit's computer terminals these days. I haven't seen any released, not really wanting to see any, and besides, nobody is paying my fees to review any of it, so no dog in this hunt

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    dsgrey

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    Sadly, the aunt and father are fighting over who controls the funeral. Seems the latter may have been out of the picture but he now realizes lawsuit money will be coming.
     

    mongoose

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    Not going to go back and listen to recording again, but you do realize most call details are sent via patrol unit's computer terminals these days. I haven't seen any released, not really wanting to see any, and besides, nobody is paying my fees to review any of it, so no dog in this hunt.

    No one asked you to listen or for your opinion. I just posted what was asked for. Sure don't want to take up any of your precious time.
     

    candcallen

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    Any horses left alive around here? The dead ones are hardly identifiable as equine and will need to be hosed off the parade geounds.
     

    C_Hallbert

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    From what I’ve seen, two officers where at the house. As both of them surveyed the exterior of the house for a welfare check, neither seemed interested in approaching the front door. Again, not as a LEO, but shouldn’t that be an important first step?

    Continuing on from that thought, is the partner not responsible for the actions of his partner? Not wholly, but see below for rationale.

    If a “normal civilian” is involved in a crime where a murder takes place, is also not those accomplices also charged with murder? I’m sure I’ve seen cases where that has happened.

    I’m not saying that every officer involved shooting should also implicate the partner, but if there was more accountability for those associated with, much like the general population, then perhaps some more well thought out solutions may be achieved?

    When a murder occurs during the commission of a crime, there is an intent to commit that crime shared in common among all the perpetrators involved; when an unjustified Police Shooting occurs during a situation where Offices are either responding to a call or investigating a situation where they have Probable Cause to believe a crime was being committed, or where there was a Physical Emergency requiring their assistance, there is no mutual intent (outside of a criminal conspiracy) to injure or take a life shared by other Officers on the scene with the Officer who used lethal force inappropriately.


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