ANYONE HERE OWN & SHOOT the WALTHER 9mm CREED??

satx78247 · Oct 19, 2019

ZX9RCAM said:
But, it's not a Glock.
Everybody knows that they always blow up...

ZX9RCAM; SQLGeek,

ONE reason that I specifically asked about the ACTUAL EXPERIENCE of a forum member, as an OWNER/SHOOTER, is that I wanted to know if the "Worldwideweird" reviews were accurate, from someone who likely knows from personal observation/use. = I do NOT have experience with the WALTHER pistol.

Nonetheless, what I said about the Glock design is NOT just my opinion but that of SEVERAL senior Metro DC Police investigators reference "unintended discharges", while still in the MPD-issue holsters & the FACT that "Glock corporate" quietly "settled with" the wounded LEOs for their injuries.

My opinion is also, in part, based upon the report on the "exploding Glock" made by the Provost Marshal's office & the by the USSS Special Agents AND upon SEEING the "bloody mess" that the Postal Inspector's face was after the Glock 19 "came apart". = It was NOT "a pretty sight".
The Army surgeon, who treated the Inspector, said in his "input" to the official Army Incident Report that: The USPS Inspector was extremely lucky to have not lost his eye.

yours, satx

DyeF9 · Oct 19, 2019

I don't own one, I've shot several. They're not well designed and have some reliability issues from my experience.

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SQLGeek · Oct 19, 2019

You were making a deal out of Glocks being plastic. I didn't know if that was an issue for you in and of itself so I figured I'd point it out about the Creed.

Click.

satx78247 · Oct 19, 2019

SQLGeek,

The Glock has, percentage-wise, far more plastic by weight than any Walther does & as plastic in areas that are under stress, at least to me are more of a worry than (for example the plastic lower receiver of some M16 "clones" are made from) parts that are NOT under considerable pressure routinely.
Also, even the plastic parts of the Walther handguns are thicker/stronger than the same parts on a Glock are.
(As "zacmars" said, quite correctly, the Creed is over 7 ounces heavier than a Glock 19 & while being almost the same physical size.)

Further, all these years later, I can close my eyes & see the great quantity of blood spurting from that horrid-looking facial wound. (Obviously, at least one facial artery was compromised.) - Thanks be to God that we had paramedics, EMTs & a fully-equipped ambulance ON the range at the time of the incident.
ONCE was more than enough for me to NOT want to trust a Glock with my increasingly old & fragile body.

Note: One thing about synthetics as parts of firearms puzzles me. = WHY do none of the firearms manufactures NOT use a "lay up" of epoxy & fiberglass, instead of other synthetics??
(A proper part of fiberglass/epoxy is BY WEIGHT considerably stronger than STEEL.)

yours, satx

Younggun · Oct 20, 2019

Because the amount of glass filled epoxy resin required to reach the strength needed makes it unsuitable. And the comparable strength of steel may not be one applicable to a handgun frame. It may have the resume strength but lack the rigidity for example.

Or it may simply be that other polymer compounds do the job equally well while being lighter, cheaper, and requiring less material. Things have come along ways since the days of glass filled epoxy resins. There’s a reason fiberglass isn’t seen on cars anymore unless it’s carbon fiber.

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Younggun · Oct 20, 2019

Sorry, I have no info on the Creed.

But if you are looking for a low cost Walther I have had excellent experience with the PPX. It’s ugly as hell but mine has been flawless shooting with and without a suppressor. I picked mine up used for $200. New we’re around $300 IIRC.

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BuzzinSATX · Oct 20, 2019

Younggun said:
Sorry, I have no info on the Creed.

But if you are looking for a low cost Walther I have had excellent experience with the PPX. It’s ugly as hell but mine has been flawless shooting with and without a suppressor. I picked mine up used for $200. New we’re around $300 IIRC.

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I thought the Creed was a smaller version/same action as the PPX. I have a friend who has a PPX .40 that looks ugly as heck but shoots pretty nice.

Younggun · Oct 20, 2019

BuzzinSATX said:
I thought the Creed was a smaller version/same action as the PPX. I have a friend who has a PPX .40 that looks ugly as heck but shoots pretty nice.

No idea. But for the comments in this thread about the trigger there has to be some difference. I think the PPX has a pretty good trigger. Not PPQ good, but not bad at all. And I’ve never had any issue with FTE or FTF on it, my 11 year old daughter loves shooting it suppressed.

Just gotta get past the looks...and they are bad.

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DyeF9 · Oct 20, 2019

Just find a PPQ. I've seen brand new ones for $389, not on sale $500. Way worth it

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satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

Younggun said:
No idea. But for the comments in this thread about the trigger there has to be some difference. I think the PPX has a pretty good trigger. Not PPQ good, but not bad at all. And I’ve never had any issue with FTE or FTF on it, my 11 year old daughter loves shooting it suppressed.

Just gotta get past the looks...and they are bad.

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Younggun; BuzzinSATX,

Fwiw, the INTERIOR parts on the Creed (to save MONEY for the company), are a combination of PPQ & PPX parts. - Evidently, all of the interior parts will interchange with the interior parts of another Walther handgun, in much the same way that MOST mechanical parts on a Cadillac will interchange with a Chevrolet.
(One writer/reviewer for THE AMERICAN RIFLEMAN said that the MAJOR difference in the PPX & CREED is which EXTERIOR design that a person likes BETTER & which pistol that you can buy for less money at "street prices". = FYI, that reviewer does NOT the LOOKS of either pistol, btw.)

NOTE: In the 1980s, when I often bought/drove a low mileage/"off lease", 2-3YO, Cadillac Brougham 4DR sedan (to save $$$$$ of buying new), I always "consulted" the HOLLAND INTERCHANGE MANUAL to see which Chevrolet IMPALA & MONTE CARLO parts were the EXACT same parts & at less than HALF of the "inflated" Cadillac dealer prices.
(Oftentimes, the same artificial "price inflation" was true of independent parts houses like NAPA stores. = For example, IF you asked for an alternator for a 1986 Cadillac, it was nearly 50% MORE dollars than if you requested the SAME alternator for a 1986 Chevrolet.)

yours, satx

ZX9RCAM · Oct 20, 2019

Sure are doing alot of research, time and effort on a $250 gun....

satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

ZX9RCAM said:
Sure are doing alot of research, time and effort on a $250 gun....

ZX9RCAM,

AGREED 100%.
When I get curious, I tend to spend time researching things, especially when there seems to be NO general agreement on a question that was posed on the forum.
(Since I'm now not only fully retired but am right now pretty much "laid-up" with 5 broken/cracked ribs from a fall, research gives me something to do, that doesn't HURT. - Getting healed from injuries to cracked/broken ribs isn't either FAST or "fun".)

yours, satx

Reinz · Oct 20, 2019

Well, I reckon I’ll go against the grain here.

I have a Creed and am very impressed at the quality for the money. The trigger is Extremely nice, the nicest of any plastic gun I have ever shot. I own, have owed, and shot a ton of plastic pistols.

Now I have not shot the PPQ which I understand is at the top of the list. However, I have a Sig 320 X5 Legion, and that trigger is crap compared to the Creed.

The only thing I have a hard time with is the overly bulky slide. It reminds me of the slide on a Ruger P89.

Byrd666 · Oct 20, 2019

Just out of curiosity, is this a purchase you are set on? Or is it a weigh the options type purchase?

Reinz · Oct 20, 2019

Now, just to point out that satx78 is not crazy, I have some info on EARLY Glocks going off with no pull of the trigger.

Back in the early 90s there were cases, and Lawsuits against Glock for misfires. The shooting world/press did a fabulous job of not reporting it.

I personally know a well respected top weapon Smith in the country that had a Glock on his bench that fired on it’s own while he was across the room.

I don’t feel comfortable giving his name since I haven’t talked to him about it since Al Gore invented the internet. I’ll call him Bob to keep it simple.

Bob is pissed and calls Glock. They say it’s impossible and he is mistaken. Glock just further pissed off the wrong guy.

Bob delved into the mechanics and figured out how the misfire happened. Then he caught wind of how an FBI agent set his Glock down and went Downrange and the Glock proceeded to fire.

The more Bob looked into this, the more cases he found. Long story short, he became an expert witness against Glock in lawsuits. In all cases, Glock lost. It got to the point where if Bob just showed up at the trial, Glock would just immediately plead guilty and settle.

Glock then finally made the change necessary to fix the design.

Sorry fanbois, this is gospel.

p.s.

I own 5 Glocks

satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

Reinz said:
Well, I reckon I’ll go against the grain here.

I have a Creed and am very impressed at the quality for the money. The trigger is Extremely nice, the nicest of any plastic gun I have ever shot. I own, have owed, and shot a ton of plastic pistols.

Now I have not shot the PPQ which I understand is at the top of the list. However, I have a Sig 320 X5 Legion, and that trigger is crap compared to the Creed.

The only thing I have a hard time with is the overly bulky slide. It reminds me of the slide on a Ruger P89.

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Reinz,

FINALLY!!! - A forum member who actually owns a Creed & say something thoughtful about the pistol. = THANKS for your input.

Note: One of my "pet peeves" is when people, who know ZILCH about the subject, nonetheless insist on "saying something", even when saying "something" makes them LOOK as arrogant/hateful/clueless as they actually are. = At 72YO, I have, every day that passes, less & less patience with SELF-IMPRESSED "experts", HATERS & BIGOTS.
(Fwiw, I belong to another gun forum where we have a "long-time member" who often essentially says, "I don't really know any facts about that subject" but then goes on for a thousand words about how he FEELS on the subject that is being discussed AND "how stupid" that everyone else is, who disagrees with how he "feels".)

yours, satx

ZX9RCAM · Oct 20, 2019

Reinz said:
Now, just to point out that satx78 is not crazy, I have some info on EARLY Glocks going off with no pull of the trigger.

Back in the early 90s there were cases, and Lawsuits against Glock for misfires. The shooting world/press did a fabulous job of not reporting it.

I personally know a well respected top weapon Smith in the country that had a Glock on his bench that fired on it’s own while he was across the room.

I don’t feel comfortable giving his name since I haven’t talked to him about it since Al Gore invented the internet. I’ll call him Bob to keep it simple.

Bob is pissed and calls Glock. They say it’s impossible and he is mistaken. Glock just further pissed off the wrong guy.

Bob delved into the mechanics and figured out how the misfire happened. Then he caught wind of how an FBI agent set his Glock down and went Downrange and the Glock proceeded to fire.

The more Bob looked into this, the more cases he found. Long story short, he became an expert witness against Glock in lawsuits. In all cases, Glock lost. It got to the point where if Bob just showed up at the trial, Glock would just immediately plead guilty and settle.

Glock then finally made the change necessary to fix the design.

Sorry fanbois, this is gospel.

p.s.

I own 5 Glocks

So, they had trigger issues before the P320, I never knew...

satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

Byrd666 said:
Just out of curiosity, is this a purchase you are set on? Or is it a weigh the options type purchase?

Byrd666,

IF your comment was directed to me, NOPE I'm NOT committed to buy any particular pistol BUT I am seriously considering buying at least one more 9x19mm or .40S&W pistol.

yours, satx

satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

Reinz said:
Now, just to point out that satx78 is not crazy, I have some info on EARLY Glocks going off with no pull of the trigger.

Back in the early 90s there were cases, and Lawsuits against Glock for misfires. The shooting world/press did a fabulous job of not reporting it.

I personally know a well respected top weapon Smith in the country that had a Glock on his bench that fired on it’s own while he was across the room.

I don’t feel comfortable giving his name since I haven’t talked to him about it since Al Gore invented the internet. I’ll call him Bob to keep it simple.

Bob is pissed and calls Glock. They say it’s impossible and he is mistaken. Glock just further pissed off the wrong guy.

Bob delved into the mechanics and figured out how the misfire happened. Then he caught wind of how an FBI agent set his Glock down and went Downrange and the Glock proceeded to fire.

The more Bob looked into this, the more cases he found. Long story short, he became an expert witness against Glock in lawsuits. In all cases, Glock lost. It got to the point where if Bob just showed up at the trial, Glock would just immediately plead guilty and settle.

Glock then finally made the change necessary to fix the design.

Sorry fanbois, this is gospel.

p.s.

I own 5 Glocks

Reinz,

As a NON-expert, ALL that I know FOR SURE about the "plastic Glock problem" is what I learned from talking to Senior MPD supervisors & reading the reports of investigation of the DC Metro Police's investigation of the "unintended discharges" that occurred while the Glock 19 pistols were INSIDE the department-issue duty holsters AND upon my ONE experience with SEEING the results of a SINGLE case of an "exploding Glock", that "made a bloody horror show" of the shooter's face. --- I was also "negatively impressed with" the Glock "hired mouthpieces", who tried to blame the holster-maker for their handgun's defects.
(I didn't know about any civil cases that you state that "Glock corporate" settled out of court, other than the FOUR cases of injured MPD officers "who were paid off".)

Fyi, I'm "an expert in NADA". Nonetheless, I'm "pretty fair" at researching things that interest me & understanding what I've read.
(I thank the US Army for paying for several years of college, that I could NOT have afforded to pay for out of my own pocket & where I learned research techniques that have helped me "on & off the job"..)

Just my OPINONS, satx

ZX9RCAM · Oct 20, 2019

I wonder how many of the "unintended discharges" were due to shit getting caught in the trigger, and just blamed on something else, in order to not look bad....

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