ANYONE HERE OWN & SHOOT the WALTHER 9mm CREED??

satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

ZX9RCAM said:
So, they had trigger issues before the P320, I never knew...

ZX9RCAM,

"Glock corporate" obviously spent a GREAT deal of TIME, EFFORT & MONEY, trying to cover-up problems that I personally believe that "corporate" knew about & CHOSE to deny, rather than deal with in a forthright/honest manner. = Trying a COVER-UP is nearly always worse than admitting responsibility & FIXING the problem.

Fwiw, I knew a senior DC LEO ("Rob" is now long-retired as an Asst. Chief of Police. - In those days, he was a District CDR.) who was threatened by a corporate attorney that, "We will sue you into bankruptcy if you go to the press with what you know." = That threat also made me MAD at the sort of people who try to shut-up people who are trying to "look into the dark corners & shine a light upon what is hidden from view".

yours, satx

ZX9RCAM · Oct 20, 2019

Out of curiosity, how many different semi-auto SA trigger guns, with no external safeties, were available in the early 90s?

ETA: Question not directed towards anyone in particular...

satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

ZX9RCAM said:
Out of curiosity, how many different semi-auto SA trigger guns, with no external safeties, were available in the early 90s?

ETA: Question not directed towards anyone in particular...

ZX9RCAM,

As for me, I don't know the answer.
(Perhaps, someone who does know "will chime in"??)

yours, satx

Reinz · Oct 20, 2019

ZX9RCAM said:
Out of curiosity, how many different semi-auto SA trigger guns, with no external safeties, were available in the early 90s?

ETA: Question not directed towards anyone in particular...

The only one that comes to mind is the SW Sigma that came out in 94.

Now the USP came out in 93, but is a hammer gun and it had an external safety. The VP70Z was striker, but had a safety as well.

ZX9RCAM · Oct 20, 2019

Reason for the question, I wonder how many of the early Glock discharges were due to the learning curve of the new system.

Younggun · Oct 20, 2019

satx78247 said:
Reinz,

FINALLY!!! - A forum member who actually owns a Creed & say something thoughtful about the pistol. = THANKS for your input.

Note: One of my "pet peeves" is when people, who know ZILCH about the subject, nonetheless insist on "saying something", even when saying "something" makes them LOOK as arrogant/hateful/clueless as they actually are. = At 72YO, I have, every day that passes, less & less patience with SELF-IMPRESSED "experts", HATERS & BIGOTS.
(Fwiw, I belong to another gun forum where we have a "long-time member" who often essentially says, "I don't really know any facts about that subject" but then goes on for a thousand words about how he FEELS on the subject that is being discussed AND "how stupid" that everyone else is, who disagrees with how he "feels".)

yours, satx

Funny that multiple members chimed in who had actually fired the gun but you choose not to acknowledge any of it until someone told you what you wanted to hear.

I’m sure they’re all just hateful bigots though.

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Reinz · Oct 20, 2019

Deleted due to Reading 101.

satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

ZX9RCAM,

A "learning curve" is NOT logically involved when handguns discharge while inside a holster, lying on a surface W/O a person being within reach OR when a handgun blows up while it's being fired on a controlled range "for qualification" & while it is being fired with standard-velocity factory ammo.

yours, satx

satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

Younggun said:
Funny that multiple members chimed in who had actually fired the gun but you choose not to acknowledge any of it until someone told you what you wanted to hear.

I’m sure they’re all just hateful bigots though.

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Younggun,

Which people "chimed in", who actually OWN/SHOOT/CARRY a Creed??
(We had several people who had shot one at some time or other & I remember ONE member who owned a Creed for 2 weeks but NOBODY until "Reinz", who actually is an owner/shooter & evidently CARRYS a Creed routinely, shared his opinion.)

Btw, how do you know what I "wanted to hear"?? = Are you a mind-reader, have "second sight" and/or do you own a functioning crystal ball?

FYI, as I said earlier, I was simply looking for an actual owner/shooter who is a member of our TGT forum, who has NO obvious "financial motive" for liking/not liking the pistol, as many of the Internet reviewers obviously do & who is willing to tell everyone/me HIS personal experience/opinion on his purchase.
(As I said earlier, I have little regard for the PAID opinions of people who are trying to sell something, as their "professional opinion" is just as SUSPECT & about as believable/neutral as the sales-pitch of a slimy/commissioned used car salesman, imo.)

yours, satx

ZX9RCAM · Oct 20, 2019

I wonder how many people lied about the actual facts, maybe embellished a little, in order to not look bad.

Younggun · Oct 20, 2019

satx78247 said:
Younggun,

Which people "chimed in", who actually OWN/SHOOT/CARRY a Creed??
(We had several people who had shot one at some time or other & I remember ONE member who owned a Creed for 2 weeks but NOBODY until "Reinz", who actually is an owner/shooter & evidently CARRYS a Creed routinely, shared his opinion.)

Btw, how do you know what I "wanted to hear"?? = Are you a mind-reader, have "second sight" and/or do you own a functioning crystal ball?

FYI, as I said earlier, I was simply looking for an actual owner/shooter who is a member of our TGT forum, who has NO obvious "financial motive" for liking/not liking the pistol, as many of the Internet reviewers obviously do & who is willing to tell everyone/me HIS personal experience/opinion on his purchase.
(As I said earlier, I have little regard for the PAID opinions of people who are trying to sell something, as their "professional opinion" is just as SUSPECT & about as believable/neutral as the sales-pitch of a slimy/commissioned used car salesman, imo.)

yours, satx

Sorry, didn’t realize that if someone shot one and didn’t care for it their opinion on the firearm was no longer valid.

I guess if they didn’t like it but bought it anyways their opinions would become magically relevant?

I presume you got what you wanted to hear because you have managed to discount any opinions about the firearm that aren’t positive based on meaningless factors such as shooting and not buying, or selling due to a dislike of the firearm. Makes it pretty obvious you are lookin for confirmation of a specific viewpoint, and not the valid opinions of those who have experience with the gun.

I know for a fact that I’ve wasted my time posting this so I’ll leave you in peace to hunt the internet for more confirmation of what you’d like to believe.

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Dad_Roman · Oct 20, 2019

How come it looks like a HiPoint?

(normally that would be a smartass retort but in this case I have only been doin this for about 4 years. It just looks like one to me <maybe because I have some>)

SQLGeek · Oct 20, 2019

Dad_Roman said:
How come it looks like a HiPoint?

(normally that would be a smartass retort but in this case I have only been doin this for about 4 years. It just looks like one to me <maybe because I have some>)

I thought the same thing. Now quit being a bigot lol.

satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

Younggun said:
Sorry, didn’t realize that if someone shot one and didn’t care for it their opinion on the firearm was no longer valid.

I guess if they didn’t like it but bought it anyways their opinions would become magically relevant?

I presume you got what you wanted to hear because you have managed to discount any opinions about the firearm that aren’t positive based on meaningless factors such as shooting and not buying, or selling due to a dislike of the firearm. Makes it pretty obvious you are lookin for confirmation of a specific viewpoint, and not the valid opinions of those who have experience with the gun.

I know for a fact that I’ve wasted my time posting this so I’ll leave you in peace to hunt the internet for more confirmation of what you’d like to believe.

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Younggun,

Out of curiosity, WHY exactly did your "presume" what I was looking for OR "would like to believe" other than seeking the experiences/opinions of owners, as the OWNER's opinions are what I asked for in post #1.

To repeat my earlier question: Do you have a crystal ball, have "second sight" or are you a mind-reader?

My sole GOAL is to decide which 9x19mm or .40S&W caliber handgun (or perhaps a pair) that I will next buy as an EDC weapon.
(I have "narrowed down" my search to 9mm or .40S&W & "would consider a great deal" on a .357SIG handgun, like the "HOT deals" that GT Distributers in Austin once had on NICE/used ex-Texas DPS SIGs in that caliber. = 239.95 - 329.95 plus tax. - SOME of those handguns LOOKED "unissued".)

NOTE: In retrospect, "what makes me ill" is that I "passed up" buying all FIVE S&W Model 5906 handguns (reimported from an OCONUS police force) that GT had at a "give away price" & that "I thought about" for too long. = The 5906 handguns needed nothing more than a "trip through the dishwasher" a relubrication to be "NICE".
ADDENDA: Another one of my personal "screw-ups" was NOT buying the 4 COLT'S POLICE POSITIVES with 5" barrels, that GT had for sale from the Peruvian National Police. = My "little brother", who has forgotten more about Colt pistols than I'll ever know, "nearly had a stroke" when I told him about those revolvers. = Colt only made 400 of them for an OCONUS "police contract'".

yours, satx

Reinz · Oct 20, 2019

satx78247 said:
Younggun,

Which people "chimed in", who actually OWN/SHOOT/CARRY a Creed??
(We had several people who had shot one at some time or other & I remember ONE member who owned a Creed for 2 weeks but NOBODY until "Reinz", who actually is an owner/shooter & evidently CARRYS a Creed routinely, shared his opinion.)

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yours, satx

satx78, my apologies, I did not mean to mislead. I do Not carry the Creed (there’s that pesky reading 101 again). I have shot it and I Do use it as a defensive weapon in my house.

And I do genuinely love the trigger!

Reinz · Oct 20, 2019

Dad_Roman said:
How come it looks like a HiPoint?

(normally that would be a smartass retort but in this case I have only been doin this for about 4 years. It just looks like one to me <maybe because I have some>)

‘That is so funny, I almost said in my first post that the only thing fuglier is a Hi Point.

BuzzinSATX · Oct 20, 2019

Reinz said:
Now, just to point out that satx78 is not crazy, I have some info on EARLY Glocks going off with no pull of the trigger.

Back in the early 90s there were cases, and Lawsuits against Glock for misfires. The shooting world/press did a fabulous job of not reporting it.

I personally know a well respected top weapon Smith in the country that had a Glock on his bench that fired on it’s own while he was across the room.

I don’t feel comfortable giving his name since I haven’t talked to him about it since Al Gore invented the internet. I’ll call him Bob to keep it simple.

Bob is pissed and calls Glock. They say it’s impossible and he is mistaken. Glock just further pissed off the wrong guy.

Bob delved into the mechanics and figured out how the misfire happened. Then he caught wind of how an FBI agent set his Glock down and went Downrange and the Glock proceeded to fire.

The more Bob looked into this, the more cases he found. Long story short, he became an expert witness against Glock in lawsuits. In all cases, Glock lost. It got to the point where if Bob just showed up at the trial, Glock would just immediately plead guilty and settle.

Glock then finally made the change necessary to fix the design.

Sorry fanbois, this is gospel.

p.s.

I own 5 Glocks

Reinz, I appreciated the info. I am a hard core Glock shooter, but I am also a hard core “truth advocate”, and assuming what you say is verifiable, facts are facts.

I’m glad Glock owned up to their flaw and corrected them. FTR, all my Glock’s are Gen 4 & 5 guns and have been flawless save one “kaboom” in a G23 with factory reman ammo. That was scary enough!

BuzzinSATX · Oct 20, 2019

satx78247 said:
Younggun,

Out of curiosity, WHY exactly did your "presume" what I was looking for OR "would like to believe" other than seeking the experiences/opinions of owners, as the OWNER's opinions are what I asked for in post #1.

To repeat my earlier question: Do you have a crystal ball, have "second sight" or are you a mind-reader?

My sole GOAL is to decide which 9x19mm or .40S&W caliber handgun (or perhaps a pair) that I will next buy as an EDC weapon.
(I have "narrowed down" my search to 9mm or .40S&W & "would consider a great deal" on a .357SIG handgun, like the "HOT deals" that GT Distributers in Austin once had on NICE/used ex-Texas DPS SIGs in that caliber. = 239.95 - 329.95 plus tax. - SOME of those handguns LOOKED "unissued".)

NOTE: In retrospect, "what makes me ill" is that I "passed up" buying all FIVE S&W Model 5906 handguns (reimported from an OCONUS police force) that GT had at a "give away price" & that "I thought about" for too long. = The 5906 handguns needed nothing more than a "trip through the dishwasher" a relubrication to be "NICE".
ADDENDA: Another one of my personal "screw-ups" was NOT buying the 4 COLT'S POLICE POSITIVES with 5" barrels, that GT had for sale from the Peruvian National Police. = My "little brother", who has forgotten more about Colt pistols than I'll ever know, "nearly had a stroke" when I told him about those revolvers. = Colt only made 400 of them for an OCONUS "police contract'".

yours, satx

SATX,

I was at the GT Austin store Saturday morning, and they had a window case full of used LEO guns, including some HK and Sigs. I really didn’t give them a hard look as I was up there for a Glock 43, but there was a decent selection of guns that might be worth a drive.

satx78247 · Oct 20, 2019

BuzzinSATX,

How well that I know. = GT is my personal addiction & my car automatically goes there if I'm visiting my adult daughter at Texas DPS HQ.
(Otoh, my lady HATES me going there, as I tend to buy TOO MANY pistols to suit her.).

yours, satx

Longhorn1986 · Oct 23, 2019

My wife has a Creed and it's her favorite pistol, even over her P320. She has some arthritis in her hands and the ease of racking a round certainly helps. I have shot it numerous times and it is a pleasure to shoot. Very accurate and a decent trigger. If I needed another 9mm and didn't have the disposable cash for a PPQ, I'd go with the Creed.

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