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  • Mohawk600

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    NBC now reporting that the shooter used a "ghost gun"........built from an easily obtainable kit online and untraceable.

    WOW........they just report whatever falls out of their brainless asses.
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    Wildcat Diva

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    I hate to even put this out their but....
    https://www.latimes.com/california/...hool-recovering-suspect-in-critical-condition

    Apparently the weapon jammed and he cleared it before continuing shooting and saved the last round for himself.
    Teacher said “I just don’t think this should be part of my job.”

    Well, if you are teaching kids today, apparently it SHOULD be part of your job. That or just don’t do anything if it happens, I guess. Be clueless, run around, flail your arms if you want. It’s on you. This is the society/ era that you live in. Either teach in society or don’t, how about that.
     

    thequintessentialman

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    Whose credit card did the 15 year old use?
    I looked into building an 80% 1911, apparently there's more art than technology. If it was a Glock, then maybe yea but time and expense of a 1911... unless he already made it before going rogue. Could be a father son project for the right kid.

    I read a reference the shooter's deceased father (2017) was a reloader and the boy had been in the scouts. It would not be exceptional for him to clear.

    Another article quoted friends saying he started acting odd lately. Probably some mix of psychotropics that kids are hopped up on plus antidepressants for dads death. This fact we will probably never know... just my opiniated speculation.

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    Wildcat Diva

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    I looked into building an 80% 1911, apparently there's more art than technology. If it was a Glock, then maybe yea but time and expense of a 1911... unless he already made it before going rogue. Could be a father son project for the right kid.

    I read a reference the shooter's deceased father (2017) was a reloader and the boy had been in the scouts. It would not be exceptional for him to clear.

    Another article quoted friends saying he started acting odd lately. Probably some mix of psychotropics that kids are hopped up on plus antidepressants for dads death. This fact we will probably never know... just my opiniated speculation.

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    Antidepressants ARE psychotropics. No need to mention them separately. Sigh.
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    You know, kids come in to mental health clinics pretty damn weird on no meds.

    One of the weirdest one I’ve seen lately was an eleven year old referred by the school that was acting weird and obsessed with killer Alyssa Bustamonte. She got no meds, and now she’s stopped coming for the other support services. Not really sure it will be ok, but I got no reason for a welfare check and forced services.

    Seen plenty of kids come in on NO meds in bad shape, and psychotripic meds get them back to close to normal functioning. I just don’t see the connection people keep trying to make about these, as a NON prescriber who helps treat the sickest of the mentally sick kids in our county for the last decade and a half.
     

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    Antidepressants ARE psychotropics. No need to mention them separately. Sigh.
    Yea. I phrased that wrong but you got the point... was making reference to ADD drugs, antidepressants, and others whose side effects can have unintended consequences. :)

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    Wildcat Diva

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    More likely this kid comes by a mental illness honestly, which the symptoms of itself would help account for his behavior, rather than considering that a medication to TREAT the diagnosis would be influencing the kid’s behavior.
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    Number of kids I have seen/ treated acting very dangerously, off the wall, scary, odd, belligerent, murderous, suicidal, etc. on NO MEDICATIONS = hundreds.

    Number of kids I have seen/ treated taking psychotropics as prescribed where the same behaviors remain present and escalate, where it’s likely due to the meds causing it = zero
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    Was with ya up until there. Seems like a judgment call on your part. Seen too many stories that seem to contradict this. Even in our own family...luckily history now.
    Fine. Take out that part.

    Leave the “taking meds as prescribed” and ALSO consider that medications do need adjustments to control symptoms. Sometimes meds stop working and meds need changed or dosages need adjustments to control symptoms.

    How could someone know the difference between a medication needing changed or adjusted and the meds causing the symptoms? I guess they couldn’t.

    Except consider that in most cases, after a symptoms hiccup, changing a med or adjusting the dose will take care of it.

    Saying that the med caused the symptom versus the mental illness causing the symptom (vs a side effect, such as a headache or stomach upset) seems asinine.
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    Post a story then. I bet I can, using the specific criteria for the disease, make a case for the specific disease causing the symptoms versus the medication causing the problem.

    Not saying that all medications don’t have unintended side effects, some of those mental health related in nature (I’m thinking steroids), but medications designed to treat specific symptoms don’t CAUSE those same specific symptoms. (I don’t care what the “black box” warnings have to say. I know how they have to say this, but it’s relieving symptoms in no specific order that can result in those problems (suicidal thoughts/ behavior), IMO.)

    Otherwise it would be dumb to say that was a medication for treating that problem when it was actually causing it, wouldn’t it?
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    Anecdotal stories, anyway, no matter if they are yours or mine, still don’t influence the numbers in the research, comparing meds to placebo and no treatment.

    There’s no question that meds treating symptoms is better than nothing or a placebo treating those same symptoms.

    Also, consider that UNTREATED mental illness over time CAUSES brain damage.

    So medications and other treatments are working to repair parts of an individual’s brain that may already have been permanently damaged by waiting to get treatment, while simultaneously being blamed by some for the long term results of that same damage in the first place. Great.
     

    Wildcat Diva

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    How many people said the same thing (“kid probably on psychotropics”) about the Santa Fe shooter, when it wasn’t found to be true. NO prior mental health treatment, supposedly. He probably SHOULD have been treated (and could have been treated by my very co-workers at the county community mental health center, interestingly).

    Now he’s definitely got mental issues, all of a sudden. Well, how much of that brain damage could have been helped with treatment early on? We will never know.
     
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