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  • jimbo

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    I refuse to step foot in any Dick's for ANY reason - even if they have the sale to end all sales. Same with Cheaper Than Dirt. I haven't bought a new Ruger since Bill screwed the gun community over many years ago. And found Wrangler's that work for me - so no more Levi's. Nike? I had three of their logo's shirts....gone.
    I'm with you. I did the same as you did. I also used to go to Sprouts until they posted a 30.06 sign. I talked with the manager and he said he didn't want my business if I carried a weapon even concealed.
     

    benenglish

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    I also used to go to Sprouts until they posted a 30.06 sign. I talked with the manager and he said he didn't want my business if I carried a weapon even concealed.
    My local Sprouts manager had no personal problem with me carrying. However, according to him the 30.06 signs were absolutely mandated by the higher-ups and there was nothing he could do about it. I haven't been back. Partially, though, that's because I have plenty of alternatives. I don't hold it against anyone who patronizes anti-gun businesses when the non-posted alternative requires a detour that will waste an hour of their day.
     

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    sounds like he gave you effective consent.
    No, it was a longer conversation than that. He made it clear that his position was in line with the company. He wasn't going to risk his job by giving me consent. He just wished the company policy was different.
     

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    I'm a little surprised to see everyone so against Nike. Am I missing something that they did? Have they done something anti-2A? If this is about the Kaepernick deal - I encourage everyone to read this OpEd written by Eric Reid:

    I find this section particularly good (emphasis is mine):

    After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.

    It baffles me that our protest is still being misconstrued as disrespectful to the country, flag and military personnel. We chose it because it’s exactly the opposite. It has always been my understanding that the brave men and women who fought and died for our country did so to ensure that we could live in a fair and free society, which includes the right to speak out in protest.

    In my mind, you can't be against the government violating citizen's rights on a regular basis, AND boycott Nike. It's one or the other.

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    I'm a little surprised to see everyone so against Nike. Am I missing something that they did? Have they done something anti-2A? If this is about the Kaepernick deal - I encourage everyone to read this OpEd written by Eric Reid:

    I find this section particularly good (emphasis is mine):

    After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.

    It baffles me that our protest is still being misconstrued as disrespectful to the country, flag and military personnel. We chose it because it’s exactly the opposite. It has always been my understanding that the brave men and women who fought and died for our country did so to ensure that we could live in a fair and free society, which includes the right to speak out in protest.

    In my mind, you can't be against the government violating citizen's rights on a regular basis, AND boycott Nike. It's one or the other.

    Kaepernick’s a cop hating, racist, commie loving dirt bag. He and Nike can go to Hell as far as I’m concerned

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    I'm a little surprised to see everyone so against Nike. Am I missing something that they did?

    Are you OK with a 10 year old making your shoes in a sweat shop so Phil Knight can be a billioniare?

    Eric Reid said:
    We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture.
    Really, cause Kapernacke says he knees in protest. If you want to be respectful, stand, take hat off, and put hand over heart and STFU.

    Eric Reid said:
    It has always been my understanding that the brave men and women who fought and died for our country did so to ensure that we could live in a fair and free society, which includes the right to speak out in protest.

    Exactly what we are doing. Speaking out against you.

    In my mind, you can't be against the government violating citizen's rights on a regular basis, AND boycott Nike.

    I am against the government violating citizen's rights on a regular basis, and against Nike for using children in sweat shops. Sorry to see you are not with me on that one.​
     

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    I am against the government violating citizen's rights on a regular basis, and against Nike for using children in sweat shops. Sorry to see you are not with me on that one.

    I am with you on sweatshops. That is a valid point - but I guess I thought this was about boycotts for companies being anti-2a and not human rights abuses. It seemed like people were boycotting for supporting Kaep, and not some anti-2a thing. I believe that these folks are poorly informed about the issue and the protest - as is their right to be. I don't personally own anything Nike and I don't think I have for many years. When you can buy equivalent non-branded goods for half the price, I'm not going to pay up just to wear The Swoop.

    For what it's worth - I agree with Kaep that the police in the country have gone way, way, way beyond what is acceptable. Until they start (actually) policing themselves, stop shooting unarmed people or law abiding citizens in their own homes, start wearing body cameras all the time to enforce accountability, and allow investigators outside the police/DA circle to investigate them, you won't find me trusting any cops.

    Granted... to do the job we demand of them, they probably need to be paid a hell of a lot more than they currently are - and most of our large cities have squandered their ability to employ quality police officers.
     

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    Although I don't think the vast majority of police officers are bad, I'm not going to argue the point. I do take offence at disrespecting the flag and fans for your own ideals. Kaepernick can protest anything he wants on his own time, and I may disagree with him, but that's his right. Policies are set by your employer, and if you don't like them you can work elsewhere. The NFL bowed to him at that time, and now I boycott the NFL also.

    Nike not only hired him because of his ideals, they also bowed to him at his protest of the Betsy Ross flag. So to me that shows that it's not just police brutality he protests, but American flags and America in general.
     

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    Although I don't think the vast majority of police officers are bad, I'm not going to argue the point. I do take offence at disrespecting the flag and fans for your own ideals. Kaepernick can protest anything he wants on his own time, and I may disagree with him, but that's his right. Policies are set by your employer, and if you don't like them you can work elsewhere. The NFL bowed to him at that time, and now I boycott the NFL also.

    Nike not only hired him because of his ideals, they also bowed to him at his protest of the Betsy Ross flag. So to me that shows that it's not just police brutality he protests, but American flags and America in general.

    Where I wholeheartedly agree with you is that employers set their policies, and you should be able to be fired for violating those policies. I also don't really feel that "work" is the most appropriate place for protest - even if the NFL is not your average workplace. Where I disagree is that I do not believe Kaepernick was being disrespectful to the Flag, or to America in general. I believe that kneeling is a respectful gesture and that his message is 100% in-line with the great ideals the founders implemented when creating our nation.

    In team sports culture, you kneel on the field when someone is injured as a sign of respect. You kneel before a priest or other high ranking figure as a sign of reverence. If you read the kneeler's own words - their intent is to show respect. You can think otherwise all you want - but you should know that you're in direct contrast to the reasons the people actually doing the kneeling are saying that they are doing the kneeling.

    I 100% agree with the kneeler's that the Police have gone hogwild in this country and they routinely violate the rights of citizens, and commit extrajudicial murders (often time on law abiding gun owners) with little to no repercussions or accountability. They have been able to get away with this for a century because 1) the majority of the victims are from disenfranchised classes, and 2) corruption has been allowed to run rampant in the police forces by un-american unions. I think it's great that these players can use their celebrity to shine a light on one of the greatest abuses of government power against US citizens on US soil that our country has ever seen.
     

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    I can't really explain to you what the flag and anthem means to me, it's so much more than a symbol or the police. You can stand in respect and not take off your hat or cover your heart, and that won't bother me. Even stay seated and I may not like it, but I won't get bent out of shape. There is a time to kneel, but during the anthem is outright disrespect, and it's not just to me, it's to all Americans and especially to those who sacrificed protecting that ideal.
     
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    I can't really explain to you what the flag and anthem means to me, it's so much more than a symbol or the police. You can stand in respect and not take off your hat or cover your heart, and that won't bother me. Even stay seated and I may not like it, but I won't get bent out of shape. There is a time to kneel, but during the anthem is outright disrespect, and it's not just to me, it's to all Americans and especially to those who sacrificed protecting that ideal.

    I get that. I'll just repeat this quote from Eric Reid (one of the kneeler's) regarding their specific decision to kneel instead of sit. They even consulted with an ex-Green Beret to make sure they were not being disrespectful.

    After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.
    You could think that putting a flag bumper sticker on a car is disrespectful or wearing a flag bandanna - I know people do feel that way. You, and they, are all free to feel the way you do. I just disagree and I think it's a far more respectful than not removing your hat, or sitting during the anthem. I think wearing a flag bandanna on your head is infinitely more disrespectful than taking a gesture of solemn respect during the anthem to mark those who have been killed by rogue agents of our government.

    edit: https://yes-my-running-shoes.myshopify.com/products/trump-maga-american-flag-2020-shoes

    Putting the American flag on your feet... that’s an example of extreme disrespect, imo. Not kneeling.
     
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    You know what, do what you want, believe who you want to believe, obviously you grew up with a different set of morals then I did.
     

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    I am with you on sweatshops. That is a valid point - but I guess I thought this was about boycotts for companies being anti-2a and not human rights abuses. It seemed like people were boycotting for supporting Kaep, and not some anti-2a thing. I believe that these folks are poorly informed about the issue and the protest - as is their right to be. I don't personally own anything Nike and I don't think I have for many years. When you can buy equivalent non-branded goods for half the price, I'm not going to pay up just to wear The Swoop.

    For what it's worth - I agree with Kaep that the police in the country have gone way, way, way beyond what is acceptable. Until they start (actually) policing themselves, stop shooting unarmed people or law abiding citizens in their own homes, start wearing body cameras all the time to enforce accountability, and allow investigators outside the police/DA circle to investigate them, you won't find me trusting any cops.

    Granted... to do the job we demand of them, they probably need to be paid a hell of a lot more than they currently are - and most of our large cities have squandered their ability to employ quality police officers.

    The "bad" shootings are all you see on the media. A good one is not newsworthy. The bad ones probably amount to way less than 1% of the police involved shootings. You pointed out 2 media circuses that were justified. How many officers died in that period of time?
     

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    The "bad" shootings are all you see on the media. A good one is not newsworthy. The bad ones probably amount to way less than 1% of the police involved shootings. You pointed out 2 media circuses that were justified. How many officers died in that period of time?
    Very few officers are killed every year. I think 38 so far in 2019? Not that any death is justified.
     

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    Although I don't think the vast majority of police officers are bad, I'm not going to argue the point. I do take offence at disrespecting the flag and fans for your own ideals. Kaepernick can protest anything he wants on his own time, and I may disagree with him, but that's his right. Policies are set by your employer, and if you don't like them you can work elsewhere. The NFL bowed to him at that time, and now I boycott the NFL also.

    Nike not only hired him because of his ideals, they also bowed to him at his protest of the Betsy Ross flag. So to me that shows that it's not just police brutality he protests, but American flags and America in general.
    I'm with you....I haven't watched a NFL OR NBA game in almost 3 years. College and high school sports are better anyway. Just my 2 cents.:usflag:
     

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    And how many "Bad" shootings this year?
    Not sure. A lot more than 38 though. And it's not just shootings. It's organized criminal activity by Police, planting drugs, rape, police brutality, etc. It happens on a daily basis. Look at the 815 Harding St. raid in Houston. These guys had a system in place and would have gotten away with it - if the cops coming in the house from opposite sides hadn't shot each other.

    Just peruse this forum which keeps track of many of the abuses by the police. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/

    Having police is a great idea in concept - but we can no longer trust them (as with any government agency - they aren't working in our best interests despite what they say).
     
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