What is next in Virginia?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-house-advances-gun-control-measures

The rally appears to have temporarily taken the assault weapons ban out. The rest are still moving forward.

So what is next?

Lawsuits once the bills become law?

Direct action?

I’ve always said - ever since the Virginian legislature turned blue - it will ultimately have to be settled through lawsuits. Some of which, may have to be raised to SCOTUS level, before they’re settled. And IF SCOTUS doesn’t agree to hear them, then that in and of itself will settle the issue (by virtue of letting the lower court ruling, stand). We’re in for a ‘long haul’ of it....

What they have to do is hit first and find a conservative judge to rule against the law as soon as it is passed. My God it always seems like that is a democrap ploy as soon as the President, or their is some law a Republican State makes to have an injunction or declared unconstitutional by some liberal judge.

Lots of ruckus leading up to the rally.

Now seems to be very quiet.

oldag said:

So what is next?

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Next is a lot of Virginia voters filled with regrets, wishing they had gotten off their lazy [rear ends] and voted in the last election instead of assuming it couldn't happen to them.

Now the consequences --

1) they will discover that the court system isn't going to save them.

2) they will learn that the legislature can pass garbage laws much, much faster than the court system can repeal them, even in those very rare cases when the court decides to "save" them

3) they will learn many unpleasant truths about just how fragile their "rights" really are in our current system (such as the actual meaning of "shall not be infringed", which is only "shall not be broken")

4) they will learn that every state is a battleground state, every election has consequences, and that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, because now the hard work starts. Law suits cost real $$$, can take a decade, have dire consequences if you lose them, and are no guarantee of anything (for example, a Pennsylvania man lost his civil rights because of a DUI conviction, and it was upheld by the Third Circuit, which ruled Friday that a federal statute prohibiting felons from possessing firearms isn’t unconstitutional as applied to him: https://www.scribd.com/document/443917322/Raymond-Holloway-Jr-v-Attorney-General-Third-Circuit). Now they can take your 2A rights away in that entire section of the country just for some DUI convictions, and that will be the case forever, unless SCOTUS overturns it, and the odds against that are very long indeed).

Politicians are elected for years, so they're stuck fighting this battle for years, instead of relaxing for years until the next election cycle. If they had worked half as hard leading up to the election to get the right people in office, they'd have saved themselves years of hassle and heartache, not to mention the endless assaults on their civil rights. Now they'll have to fight 10x as hard, organizing and funding lawsuits, stoking grassroots movements, meeting, writing and calling their elected officials at every level of government on every 2A issue until the next election cycle, when they'll have to really ramp it up to displace incumbents who by then will have big $$$ backers.

The only reason we can even cling by our fingernails to a fraction of our 2A rights is because McConnell has a big brass pair, holding up the nomination on Garland, and looking like a genius after Trump won the election. So we were able to hold on for another 4 years, but in 9 more months it's all on the table again, maybe even more important than ever, because NO WAY do RBG, Breyer and Thomas all hang on for 4 more years, maybe even Roberts (did you know he's already had 2 seizures?) -- re-shaping SCOTUS is on the ballot, no doubt about it, and the left has learned from their mistake, they'll stock Article 3 judges and Justices exactly as Trump has shown them.

If we can get a couple more pro-2A Justices on SCOTUS, then maybe we get more than 1 2A case per decade, maybe we get 1 per year, and maybe #1 above is no longer true. Maybe another 4 years of Trump appointments to the bench can fix the judicial revolt against the Heller ruling.
But if we lose, and we get Merrick Garland-type leftists for our Article 3 appointments, then we'll never win another 2A case before SCOTUS in our lifetimes.

Way too much coffee this morning, sorry!

Good thoughts.

On Justices, I will hate to see the day that Thomas leaves the bench. Can't be too soon for Ginsburg or Breyer. If Republicans hold the WH and Senate, would not mind seeing Roberts retire.

elections have consequences

The main problem with VA is that the GOP was asleep at the wheel and let several DemocRATS run uncontested.

Vote like your Rights depend on it.

tonelar said:

elections have consequences

The main problem with VA is that the GOP was asleep at the wheel and let several DemocRATS run uncontested.

Vote like your Rights depend on it.

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It's not as simple as all that and Texas can be next.

Although I'm not claiming this is all the factors that went into Virginia turning blue, it's still an interesting read:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/how-states-like-virginia-go-blue/

easy rider said:

It's not as simple as all that and Texas can be next.

Although I'm not claiming this is all the factors that went into Virginia turning blue, it's still an interesting read:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/how-states-like-virginia-go-blue/

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Virginia has been hurt by the increase all the people who work for the federal government.

Texas is being hurt by left coasters and immigration.

oldag said:

Virginia has been hurt by the increase all the people who work for the federal government.

Texas is being hurt by left coasters and immigration.

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That was my point.

easy rider said:

That was my point.

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We are in violent agreement here.

Now I gotta find something else to watch.

I hate to say that we all need to be one issue voters, but frankly, I have found that it works. If someone is too stupid to understand the 2a is an absolute right, then they are too stupid to vote for! Too many people want to "go along, to get along," want to be progressive/ popular, and do not "stick to their guns," pun intended. I know it is overused, but "slippery slope," is a reality. We have a "free" country, which means we are free to pursue opportunity, not free from responsibility. If you don't vote, and make damn sure you are not voting for an anti-gun, anti-rights, person, you are a part of the problem!

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ronbwolf said:

If you don't vote, and make damn sure you are not voting for an anti-gun, anti-rights, person, you are a part of the problem!

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Exactly. It's part of the downside of having such a polarized political environment. Elections today are very different from those in the past, where you could choose a politician based on more than just a headline issue. These days, we must be single-issue voters, or else we'll lose on every issue.

We might not agree on every political issue, but the time for disagreement is after we preserve our 2A rights from extinction. Priorities.

So don't be afraid to be a single-issue voter -- embrace it. It's how the left has been winning for so long, and it's past time we fought them as hard as they're fighting us.

I understand that only 75,000 signatures are needed to start the impeachment process for the governor. There were more people than that at the rally and yet still no completed petition. What gives?

The biggest problem today is that civics isn't taught in our schools anymore. If you don't know what the Constitution is about and who and what it's for, then taking a vow to uphold the Constitution doesn't have as much meaning. People need to know what the meaning of the Constitution is, and demand that those who take that vow to the Constitution are held to that standard. There seems to be no consequence to politicians that break those vows, and that should change.

easy rider said:

The biggest problem today is that civics isn't taught in our schools anymore.

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Imagine how it would be taught if it was.


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gdr_11 said:

I understand that only 75,000 signatures are needed to start the impeachment process for the governor. There were more people than that at the rally and yet still no completed petition. What gives?

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The glock people and the 1911 people probably argued.

Vaquero said:

The glock people and the 1911 people probably argued.

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If only the Glock people's argument was based in reality.

Younggun said:

Imagine how it would be taught if it was.

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This. It's not just the specifics of the Constitution or any point of civics, it's the loss of the discipline of teaching critical thinking skills which impacts the hardest. Once you can think for yourself, you can see through the bs from low-quality teachers, fake journalists, scam artists, etc -- it's a fundamental life skill (hence the "critical").