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    mad88minute

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    He is setting up justification of pardons for Republicans like Stone by pardoning a Democrat with an excessive sentence.
    I don't think blabervitch had an excessive sentence, but I think you might be right on the idea of it.

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    Conspiracy is usually the same or a class higher felony than the actual crime he tried to commit.

    Lying about it is obstruction.

    Solicitation of a bribe or kickback is a felony regardless of how incompetently you do it.

    No one with a double digit IQ could look at the facts, i.e. recordings, and think he wasnt doing that.

    Regardless the sentence was too much. The pardon has been in the works for years, i.e. applications, investigations, discussions.

    For the record, I couldn't care less about Blagojevich or his sentence except for the fact that it was extreme. Also, he was a sacrifice for Obama to show they wernt corrupt and will treat political allies or acquaintances like everyone else.
     
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    Conspiracy is usually the same or a class higher felony than the actual crime he tried to commit.

    Lying about it is obstruction.

    Solicitation of a bribe or kickback is a felony regardless of how incompetently you do it.

    No one with a double digit IQ could look at the facts, i.e. recordings, and think he wasnt doing that.

    Regardless the sentence was too much. The pardon has been in the works for years, i.e. applications, investigations, discussions.

    For the record, I couldn't care less about Blagojevich or his sentence except for the fact that it was extreme. Also, he was a sacrifice for Obama to show they wernt corrupt and will treat political allies or acquaintances like everyone else.
    IIRC, conspiracy to commit is a lesser crime.
    Please explain how planning a murder is more of a crime than committing murder. Technically, you are guilty of conspiracy to commit if you planned it but never followed through and committed the murder.

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    Ya, this stuff is why I'm torn about sentencing guidelines. It, guidelines and mandatory sentences, was an attempt to ensure judges wernt soft on crime for any corrupt or personal entanglements. That said it also limits their ability to make reasonable sentences in some cases also keeps them from putting dangerous people away permanently.

    So I guess like all of our principles are founded on we err on the side of it's better not to have such things, mandatory sentencing, than have occasional unwanted or unnecessary extreme or cruel sentences. The old it's better for guilty people to go free than even 1 innocent man goto jail.

    So I'm ok with getting rid of them in favor of mitigating and aggravating issues the judge must take into account and explain in their sentencing report weather the applied or didnt and why as well as why the judge gave an unusually high or low sentence. That leaves plenty of ammo for appeals.

    Decent compromise I guess.
     
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    candcallen

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    IIRC, conspiracy to commit is a lesser crime.
    Please explain how planning a murder is more of a crime than committing murder. Technically, you are guilty of conspiracy to commit if you planned it but never followed through and committed the murder.

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    First I said usually. Maybe a better description would be punished the same as the conspired crime. Although there are laws in many states that allow conspiracy crimes to be charged as a higher class if the conspired crime was a higher class felony than "conspiracy" is. Example in AZ which I'm more familiar, conspiracy is a class 3 felony but can be charged or punished higher if the conditions are met. These crimes ate federal crimes which I'm not extremely familiar with. Shocker I know.

    As far as I know the mitigating factors in conspiracy sentences are if the act conspired about is a MM than the sentence cant be more severe than the crime it self.

    There are also other elements to charges that attempt to restrain the government from running amok charging the crime too much as it's one step above a perjury trap.

    This is why stone was charged. If he did anything to assist Russians, their theory of overt act is working with Russians thru wiki leaks, than the conspiracy charge could have swept up the president and anyone else. They hoped he would roll over but neither him or anyone else charged did cause there was no conspiracy.
     

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    Whom did he offer it to? How much did he get for it?

    As stated, it was a thought crime, it was never actually sold.

    Even if it was sold, 14 years is excessive, for the same reasons 9 years is excessive for Stone.
    So Al Capone should have only served a year or two? After all, he was only convicted of tax evasion.
     

    BillFairbanks

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    So Al Capone should have only served a year or two? After all, he was only convicted of tax evasion.

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