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  • popo22

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    Oh, I do have one "IWB" holster made in Isreal that is a very well made holster, designed for my Walther P99 AS, it may be an "IMI" holster. I've had it for several years and there's no manufacturer label on it.
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    BillRedding

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    And here I thought it was my it was my menacing looks.

    I think my OCing has kept the transients away at gas stations in the more run-down parts of cities I go to...especially in Albuquerque, NM, where for some reason there are LOTS of transients at almost EVERY major intersection. Anyway, on 2 occasions at gas stations, they were coming in my direction but as soon as they noticed my gun, they went off in a different direction.
    On another occasion (here in ELP), a driver of a very new-looking truck at the next pump approached me (but couldn't seen the gun), came around the pump to my left (my gun is not visible on that side) to ask me for some gas-money (new truck?), I turned to face him, then he saw the gun, suddenly stopped and said, "I guess I should stand back here." I said that'd be good.
    I don't want strangers/sketchy people getting too close to me.
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    oldag

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    When a LEO arrives on the scene, he has no idea who is who. And has not had time to assess the situation.

    I can understand the initial concern for the officer. And depending on the situation, the officer may not want to chance the person drawing and "helping" if it hits the fan. After all, the officer has no idea (even after ID established) what skill/training level the person possesses nor how the person (regardless of training/skill) will react if it hits the fan. Friendly fire hurts just as bad.

    All this said, during traffic stops once the LEO found out I had a CHL he relaxed and had no concern that I was carrying. But that is a different scenario than responding to a call.

    Some gray area here to me.
     

    rogerdmillerco

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    I am inquiring about the current "social acceptability" of OC in Texas. Please DO NOT comment on your opinion of OC vs) CC, as that old horse was beaten to death years ago.

    I am an elderly retired U of T Academic Physician, ell-mannered and non-threatening. Usually dressed as so many of you in jeans, boots, fishing shirt, etc. As I grew up in the always legal OC State of LA, I know that this can be done without disturbance.

    I would like to go about my business with a G26, PPKS, or J-Frame in an IWB rig, barley noticeable. Do have several OWB rigs if needed.

    When in Texas I find myself in a HEB at least twice a day, and regularly attend Church services. I don't intend to violate those or any other known posted-areas.

    My licenses incude a decades long current Texas permit and a lifetime LA permit.i

    Please advise on your experiences and what I could reasonably expect.

    Serious replies will be appreciated.

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    rogerdmillerco

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    I am inquiring about the current "social acceptability" of OC in Texas. Please DO NOT comment on your opinion of OC vs) CC, as that old horse was beaten to death years ago.

    I am an elderly retired U of T Academic Physician, ell-mannered and non-threatening. Usually dressed as so many of you in jeans, boots, fishing shirt, etc. As I grew up in the always legal OC State of LA, I know that this can be done without disturbance.

    I would like to go about my business with a G26, PPKS, or J-Frame in an IWB rig, barley noticeable. Do have several OWB rigs if needed.

    When in Texas I find myself in a HEB at least twice a day, and regularly attend Church services. I don't intend to violate those or any other known posted-areas.

    My licenses incude a decades long current Texas permit and a lifetime LA permit.i

    Please advise on your experiences and what I could reasonably expect.

    Serious replies will be appreciated.

    leVieux
     

    rogerdmillerco

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    I have been a CHL holder and have carried concealed daily since 1994. I was curious as to the impact the Open Carry Law would have in Texas. I live in Fort Worth and I can count on one hand the number of people I have seen open carrying. I too have open carried a few times as a social experiment. Either no one noticed, or if they did, did not care enough to ask about it. I've never been asked to leave any place because I was open carrying.
     

    oldag

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    I have been a CHL holder and have carried concealed daily since 1994. I was curious as to the impact the Open Carry Law would have in Texas. I live in Fort Worth and I can count on one hand the number of people I have seen open carrying. I too have open carried a few times as a social experiment. Either no one noticed, or if they did, did not care enough to ask about it. I've never been asked to leave any place because I was open carrying.
    Liberals were predicting OC would lead to Dodge City on Saturday night. Just as they did with CC. And they were wrong again.
     

    cycleguy2300

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    "I can completely understand why the officer would have asked for the pistol to put away for the time he was there. I've asked people to put guns and knives away before too. I am not willing to risk my kids father or my wife's husband over it most of the time, its nothing personal... we cant control all risk but with close extended contact we have to be safe."

    ^^^This, plus it is the way we are/were trained for many years(especially in larger departments). A lot of the "younger Officer's" would ridicule Officer's for not "securing the scene" and allowing an unsafe environment. Fortunately with recent changes in the law and more open-minded attitudes, it is changing somewhat.
    Yeah, it's a situational call for me. Am I alone, do I have backup, what's the guy's mood etc... you know what I mean.

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    ZX9RCAM

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    I have been a CHL holder and have carried concealed daily since 1994. I was curious as to the impact the Open Carry Law would have in Texas. I live in Fort Worth and I can count on one hand the number of people I have seen open carrying. I too have open carried a few times as a social experiment. Either no one noticed, or if they did, did not care enough to ask about it. I've never been asked to leave any place because I was open carrying.

    Welcome to the Forum!
     

    cycleguy2300

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    Q from curious side: what if I say no while on my property after having duly produced a valid TX DL and LTC after demand for identification?

    Scenario: Upon returning home, I notice signs of forcible entry and call 911, report it, AND my legally armed status, then stay on the line with dispatch and outside the house until the officer arrives.
    Each department and officer is different but if you don't want work with me and let us feel/be safe then you can keep handling it yourself and we cancel the call unless you are holding lethal cover on a bad guy.

    Also, we don't know you from Adam... you likely wont have burglars wearing "I'm the bad guy" tshirts and you won't be wearing a I'm the home owner and I have a gun" tshirt. You trying to be all tactical and you surprise an officer at a crime scene with a deadly weapon... you ARE a threat now and how do you think it might end? It will likely end bad for everyone. YOU are safer when we are safe.

    We as police have lots of case law supporting us being able to do a lot to make our work environment safe for ourselves.

    Almost no one wants cops around their place and NO ONE likes being asked/told what to do by a stranger in their own dominion. I get it, but you called us to solve a problem and its going to get solved our way, in the safest way possible for us and you. If you dont want to work with us, cool.

    I used to would have gotten all pissed off and righteous about disarming in my own house after calling the police but I know the case law, I know WHY police ask for it to be done and even if I knew the officer and they knew I was a cop, I wouldn't be offended if they asked me to leave my piece inside... I called them remember?

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    cycleguy2300

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    I respect and support all law enforcement until I have a damn good reason not to. If I'm armed at my residence, and have called the police to report a possible intruder, etc., I will not disarm myself (edit to add) and I will produce whatever identification asked for. If the officer says it's for "officer safety" I will respond that my weapon is for "my" safety. I wouldn't think that's out of line. He doesn't know me, but I don't know him/her either.
    Haha, good luck tough guy

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    cycleguy2300

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    Since we have wandered into "Officer interactions"; has anyone else had a LEO unload and disassemble their weapons before returning them, despite proper ID's & CWP's/CL's ? A few years ago, I had a Deputy do that with my two carry pieces on a traffic stop. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I had 3 other loaded weapons within arm's reach. He told me "Don't touch your weapons until after I drive off." I just said "OK, Thanks Officer" and waved him Bye-Bye. leVieux
    I have heard of that, but never seen it or done it. Other than a woman who forgot to tell me she had a CHL and I saw the pistol in her purse as she dug for a driver's license I haven't disarmed a LTC/CHL holder ever...

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    cycleguy2300

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    Trust and respect go both ways.
    On your own property, you do not need a LTC or the officers permission to carry. And do NOT have to disarm at their request.
    I realize that we are in a time when officers can be in somewhat more danger than in some times past. In some places, it has always been this way just more wide spread than it used to be. And I normally support them in their jobs. It is, without a doubt, a tough job.
    That being said, anytime that officer safety trumps my safety or rights, they need to look for another job. They are in the wrong one.
    They are not there guaranteed to get a paycheck and go home safe or be safe in their lives every day.
    They are there to try to make sure we do go home safe and are safe in our homes.


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    Jrbfishn, the ltc/chl thing and disarming at a LOE's request are two different things.

    Think a Game Warden can't ask you to set your open carried rifles down? Or if he needed to to ask you to put away your pistols? You don't need a LTC to hunt...

    Think about this...

    Would it be reasonable for a LEO lawfully there of course to tell you to "Do not pick up that holstered pistol from your truck seat"? Why or why not?

    We are not talking about a cop knocking on your door and disarming you for fun here... We have a job, sure there are risks by wearing a badge, like a crazy randomly popping you in the back of the head, but what can you do about that? Keep your eyes open, but that's it... but if we get called to a crime scene, courts have upheld our authority to disarm people so long as we can articulate our belief for the need to disarm. Your belief that you are not a threat doesn't come into play.

    Does that help?

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    cycleguy2300

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    Not quite. We've had a steady decline in officer fatalities since 1969. 50 years now with a spike coinciding with the "war on drugs" if you go back even further there was a large spike during prohibition too.

    Im all for officer safety but we gotta use a little common sense here.

    So the officer doesnt want a gun around him during whatever hes doing. Ok. Why have said person remove said gun and introduce it to the situation? Its far safer where it's at in the holster than being handled during an interaction.

    I had a trooper pull me over for speeding. My mom was with me. He had my mom remove my gun from my holster (wouldnt let me touch it) and put it in the back seat. So now we have my mom totally unfamiliar with the retention on my holster spending 3 minutes getting it from the holster then awkwardly placing it in the backseat. How is that in anyway safer for anyone invovled?


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    Yeah, that's a dumb way to do it [facepalm]

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    toddnjoyce

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    Each department and officer is different but if you don't want work with me and let us feel/be safe then you can keep handling it yourself and we cancel the call unless you are holding lethal cover on a bad guy.

    Also, we don't know you from Adam... you likely wont have burglars wearing "I'm the bad guy" tshirts and you won't be wearing a I'm the home owner and I have a gun" tshirt. You trying to be all tactical and you surprise an officer at a crime scene with a deadly weapon... you ARE a threat now and how do you think it might end? It will likely end bad for everyone. YOU are safer when we are safe.

    We as police have lots of case law supporting us being able to do a lot to make our work environment safe for ourselves.

    Almost no one wants cops around their place and NO ONE likes being asked/told what to do by a stranger in their own dominion. I get it, but you called us to solve a problem and its going to get solved our way, in the safest way possible for us and you. If you dont want to work with us, cool.

    I used to would have gotten all pissed off and righteous about disarming in my own house after calling the police but I know the case law, I know WHY police ask for it to be done and even if I knew the officer and they knew I was a cop, I wouldn't be offended if they asked me to leave my piece inside... I called them remember?

    Thank you for the perspective.
     

    roadapple

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    Nobody seems to care.

    I have only seen a few people carrying open though.

    I believe it's a right we fought for but didn't intend to use much. But we got it.
    One of the reasons we wanted open carry approved was to protect us from over-zealous cops that would arrest people for their firearm printing, or if part of the firearm was accidentally exposed for a second: like your jacket rising when you lean down to get something from the bottom shelf in a grocery store. Where I am at, the only people that carry open is people that always carried open on their own property. I wouldn't carry open, just because it paints a target on you if you are in the right place at the wrong time. I don't begrudge others to open carry though.

    When I lived in Colorado, we would open carry to and from going shooting in the mountains. We would stop in convenient stores, and sometimes McDonalds, on our way out and back. No one ever said anything, or even acted like they saw the guns. The guns could not be missed, though. They were always something along the lines of a large revolver (the smallest being a S&W 629 with a 6" bbl). One of the guys was always bringing something new up; like a Desert Eagle .50, a Freedom Arms 454 Casull, or a Magnum Research BFR. Of course, this was back in the 1990's and we were in Woodland Park, Divide or one of the smaller towns on the western slope.
     

    Kar98

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    Each department and officer is different but if you don't want work with me and let us feel/be safe then you can keep handling it yourself and we cancel the call unless you are holding lethal cover on a bad guy.

    Also, we don't know you from Adam... you likely wont have burglars wearing "I'm the bad guy" tshirts and you won't be wearing a I'm the home owner and I have a gun" tshirt. You trying to be all tactical and you surprise an officer at a crime scene with a deadly weapon... you ARE a threat now and how do you think it might end? It will likely end bad for everyone. YOU are safer when we are safe.

    We as police have lots of case law supporting us being able to do a lot to make our work environment safe for ourselves.

    Almost no one wants cops around their place and NO ONE likes being asked/told what to do by a stranger in their own dominion. I get it, but you called us to solve a problem and its going to get solved our way, in the safest way possible for us and you. If you dont want to work with us, cool.

    I used to would have gotten all pissed off and righteous about disarming in my own house after calling the police but I know the case law, I know WHY police ask for it to be done and even if I knew the officer and they knew I was a cop, I wouldn't be offended if they asked me to leave my piece inside... I called them remember?

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    Actually, I do have tshirt that says "INNOCENT BYSTANDER" on the chest.
     
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