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  • benenglish

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    My dad voted for the first time when he was an airman. Two of his fellow airmen voted with him. One black one Hispanic. They all got the same test, they all voted.this was in 1960.
    I can certainly believe that.
    If you can’t name your congressional rep you have no business voting,
    I agree with that.

    None of that has anything to do with the way poll tests were commonly conducted in many states before they were eliminated in 1970.

    The reality is that there are evil people who run polling places and there are ignorant people who cast votes.
    • The ignorant are a problem that we solve by preaching the word as we see it.
    • The evil folks in charge of polling places can't be stopped unless we take away all the tools they use to do evil.
    One of the greatest tools for doing evil during elections is the poll test.

    Theoretical usefulness is meaningless if the way they were actually used was so evil.

    Good riddance.
    What if I told you the Constitution does not specifically state that everyone has the right to vote?
    Of course it doesn't. Not everyone has a right to vote.

    But that has nothing to do with real-world poll tests.
     

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    I can certainly believe that.
    And it was in very rural Alabama in 1960.
    Don’t believe everything you read about the Deep South in the 50s and 60s.
    There is a LOT of misinformation printed. Selma comes immediately to mind( my dad was there as a young Alabama State Trooper) it did not go down the way the history books and MSM said it did.

    And if anyone here wants to call my dad a liar( I know you wouldn’t Ben, you have too much class)
    Consider this an invitation to say it to my face, over lunch in a public place. My treat.;)
     

    candcallen

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    And it was in very rural Alabama in 1960.
    Don’t believe everything you read about the Deep South in the 50s and 60s.
    There is a LOT of misinformation printed. Selma comes immediately to mind( my dad was there as a young Alabama State Trooper) it did not go down the way the history books and MSM said it did.

    And if anyone here wants to call my dad a liar( I know you wouldn’t Ben, you have too much class)
    Consider this an invitation to say it to my face, over lunch in a public place. My treat.;)
    Are we talking about the right to vote by citizens removed by voting tests. Or various events witnessed by your dad? Who would be ignorant enough to call a man we never meets description of events we didn't witness lies? Frankly it has no bearing on this conversation.

    Let me use a comparison we all understand..

    Gun registration is to confiscation as voting qualification tests are to disenfranchisement.

    One always leads to the other regardless of intentions. I dont care how specific the law is written it will invariably be used to keep someone from voting.

    Again, willfully ignorant voters infuriate me. People who refuse to consider proven facts before making a decision infuriate me. People who would vote for a communist infuriate me. People who vote for a 3rd party thus ensuring the worst possible outcome infuriate me. No matter how chapped my ars gets, no one has a right to test their qualifications as a voter beyond citizenship.
     

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    Are we talking about the right to vote by citizens removed by voting tests. Or various events witnessed by your dad? Who would be ignorant enough to call a man we never meets description of events we didn't witness lies? Frankly it has no bearing on this conversation.

    Let me use a comparison we all understand..

    Gun registration is to confiscation as voting qualification tests are to disenfranchisement.

    One always leads to the other regardless of intentions. I dont care how specific the law is written it will invariably be used to keep someone from voting.

    Again, willfully ignorant voters infuriate me. People who refuse to consider proven facts before making a decision infuriate me. People who would vote for a communist infuriate me. People who vote for a 3rd party thus ensuring the worst possible outcome infuriate me. No matter how chapped my ars gets, no one has a right to test their qualifications as a voter beyond citizenship.
    Do you believe that folks who are mentally disabled to the point of incoherence (advance Alzheimer patients, severely retarded, etc) should be allowed to vote?
     

    candcallen

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    Do you believe that folks who are mentally disabled to the point of incoherence (advance Alzheimer patients, severely retarded, etc) should be allowed to vote?

    Nice try.
    Another strawman argument.

    But I'll play.

    It's a strawman arguement because People who are found to be incompetent in the manner you describe lose their right to vote. Among other rights and things they could do prior to.

    That has nothing to do with voting tests.

    Further even that process is abused as the Obama admin and several states tried to take away several rights based on things like if you have a representative payee handle your social security or disability. Remember that mess.
     
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    Nice try.
    Another strawman argument.

    But I'll play.

    It's a strawman arguement because People who are found to be incompetent in the manner you describe lose their right to vote. Among other rights and things they could do prior to.

    That has nothing to do with voting tests.

    Further even that process is abused as the Obama admin and several states tried to take away several rights based on things like if you have a representative payee handle your social security or disability. Remember that mess.
    Not all.
    25 states have laws that bar voting only if a court has determined that an individual specifically lacks the capacity to vote.46
     Four states have laws that bar voting by individuals who are “non compos mentis.” This term has been interpreted differently from state to state.47
     Seven states have laws that use outmoded and stigmatizing terms such as “idiots,” “insane persons,” and “of unsound mind” to describe who is barred from voting based on competence concerns.48 Such laws are rarely enforced because they are virtually impossible to understand and apply.
    Eleven states —Colorado, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Vermont—have no disability-related restrictions on the right to vote in their state constitutions or election laws.
    https://www.votescount.com/Portals/...s of People with Mental Disabilities 2016.pdf
     

    candcallen

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    The tabloid link didnt work.

    Your point?


    No matter how many examples you throw out support your opinion the fact is none of it justifies taking away someone's right to vote without due process. That's what poll tests do and have done. Nothing justifies that.
     

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    The tabloid link didnt work.

    Your point?


    No matter how many examples you throw out support your opinion the fact is none of it justifies taking away someone's right to vote without due process. That's what poll tests do and have done. Nothing justifies that.
    Ok Roger/Flash jr
     

    candcallen

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    Ok Roger/Flash jr
    Now see we had a perfectly decent debate going and you had to insult me.

    Seriously the link to the tabloid didnt work. And the fact half the states use Due Process to effect the loss of a right versus a poll test which is anything but due process is supposed to mean what exactly? Thus the question "Your point"?
     

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    Now see we had a perfectly decent debate going and you had to insult me.

    Seriously the link to the tabloid didnt work. And the fact half the states use Due Process to effect the loss of a right versus a poll test which is anything but due process is supposed to mean what exactly? Thus the question "Your point"?
    I simply countered your point that mentally disabled couldn’t vote with some facts and you refuse to acknowledge that you were in fact , incorrect in your assessment. You will forever be FJ in my mind because you are acting exactly like him. Cheers.
     

    candcallen

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    I simply countered your point that mentally disabled couldn’t vote with some facts and you refuse to acknowledge that you were in fact , incorrect in your assessment. You will forever be FJ in my mind because you are acting exactly like him. Cheers.

    Um, I know the mentally disabled cant vote in places. I never disputed that.

    I called that a strawman arguement because that's done thru due process not an arbitrary election day decision based on some poll test. I also joked about the need to stop the mass influx of retards from voting or the lack there of.

    The 2 concepts are completely different in how its done.
     

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    But they can in most places. A drooling bug eater can walk into most places without even the memory capacity to recall what their last name is, and their vote counts for the same as yours.
    Your statement that they can’t vote is nonsense. The only way to determine whether or not they are competent or not in the states that require a court order is.....what? Oh, a test.
     

    candcallen

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    But they can in most places. A drooling bug eater can walk into most places without even the memory capacity to recall what their last name is, and their vote counts for the same as yours.
    Your statement that they can’t vote is nonsense. The only way to determine whether or not they are competent or not in the states that require a court order is.....what? Oh, a test.

    A court order is due process. It is not a poll test. Why cant you get that very important distinction.

    You can pretend they are the same thing all you want but they arent. I know you are smart enough to know the difference. If I'm wrong about your ability to discern the difference I can suggest some homework.
     

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    Some on here are sounding just like liberals. They want to determine whose voice is heard.
     

    Hoji

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    A court order is due process. It is not a poll test. Why cant you get that very important distinction.

    You can pretend they are the same thing all you want but they arent. I know you are smart enough to know the difference. If I'm wrong about your ability to discern the difference I can suggest some homework.
    A court order is a given after testing to determine competence. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
    I also 110% believe that renters and other transient residents should not be given a voice in ballot initiatives that affect property taxes.
     

    oldag

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    A court order is a given after testing to determine competence. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
    Nobody is talking about a court ordered competence test. The topic brought up was a general test for voting.

    I also 110% believe that renters and other transient residents should not be given a voice in ballot initiatives that affect property taxes.
    Lack of thought here. Does anyone think owners just eat the property tax and don't pass it through in the rent to renters? Of course not, no one is that stupid. Renters pay property tax, they just don't pay it directly.

    Some folks need to think a little more before they hit the keyboard.
     
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