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  • Deavis

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    Oddly enough, the Lyman manual does not have loads for 230 gr LRN but they do 225 gr...

    Fortunately Hodgdon's site has some data.

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    As you can see, HP 38 and 231 are the same. I've read in many places that 231 and HP38 are interchangeable. From the load data I've looked at, that appears to be true.


    They are exactly the same. SMP manufactures a single powder that Hodgdon markets as HP38 and Hodgdon also markets as WW231 under the Winchester brand they licensed. Keg is the same OEM number, no matter which you ask for.
     

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    I got a box of 44 mag reloads from [mention]TheMailMan [/mention] with H110 powder. I was about 7 or 8 yards from the paper target when I pulled the trigger. Luckily I wasn’t any closer because I swear there was a 3’ flame coming out of the barrel after I shot it!!! I’m smiling just thinking about it!


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    SQLGeek

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    They are exactly the same. SMP manufactures a single powder that Hodgdon markets as HP38 and Hodgdon also markets as WW231 under the Winchester brand they licensed. Keg is the same OEM number, no matter which you ask for.

    Thanks for confirming with the hard data. I've read lots from the internet but never seen it confirmed. I can now say so with confidence. :)
     

    CodyK

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    It’s amazing the difference just a couple grains can make. After work last night I went home and loaded up 100 .45acp with 4.7 grains of the Win231, which is only a couple grains above what I had loaded the day before. While the first load worked great, they just didn’t have that .45 oomph that I like. But 4.7 grains worked perfect! I’m figuring out quickly that I’m not gonna save a single cent reloading, but I am having a helluva good time shooting! Gonna go Sunday and get the 44 mag and 10mm dies. I’ve got a decent size pile of brass that needs to be shot again!


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    sergeant69

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    Yep you're screwed. Once you start reloading you start to think of all the other things that you can do to make it better. The lee is a nice press. I have a buddy who has used one for years. Once you get a little more comfortable with it you don't need to weigh every round unless you are going for super accurate rifle rounds. You DO need to visually check every round before placing the bullet on the case to be sure nothing looks out of place, no powder, not enough powder, or worse of all too much powder. Have fun and be safe.
    hes not kidding! and this just part of it. you are now digging a hole you'll never climb out of. loading room 2.jpg
     

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    Charlie

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    I've been loading for 55+ years. I have used a bunch of loaders and nothing comes close to Dillon. The thing about them is the costumer service. If you have a problem, call them and they will get it resolved and if parts are needed they will send them tyd no charge. If you buy one used, it is still covered by their no BS warranty.
    RCBS has good stuff also and a great, no questions asked warranty!
     

    CodyK

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    I went and got a pound of H110, a box of Hornaday XTP 180 grain, and 300 magnum pistol primers. I looked at the load data, and those babies are gonna be SCREAMING when they leave the barrel.

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    CodyK

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    Doesn't specify them. Call for regular large pistol Be careful. Just like a beginning cook, follow the recipe exactly until you get experience.

    I just noticed that and was getting on here to ask about it. I’ll look to see what the Lee book says, but if it doesn’t call for magnum pistol primers, what would they be used for, if not magnum charges?


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    Rule 1, follow the load data printed. Rule 2, same as rule 1. I don't know if the switch in primers matters or not but if you are going to follow the data you need to follow it. I load shotgun too, you never substitute anything with shotgun. If they say CCI primers that's what you use.
    Winchester large pistol primers they claim as suitable for loads calling for regular and magnum loads and they don't even make a magnum large pistol primer but they do make one for small pistol.
    Just starting out though I would follow published load data and at one point I mentioned a chronograph, not expensive. Then you will know if they are screaming. Finally I use a case gage for everything I reload. Consider buying one.
     

    CodyK

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    I read that, then went and found a couple other articles, and they all have differing opinions! A couple things I have read say that H110 powder needs a magnum primer for more uniform ignition. Another article says, unless it’s cold out, a standard large pistol primer will work. Gonna have to see what the Lee book says, and go by that.


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    rotor

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    I looked in my Hornady manual for the 180 gr xtp and they recommend Winchester LP primer and like I mentioned above that is supposed to be for regular and magnum use. I believe they are the only company that doesn't make a separate large pistol magnum primer but don't quote me. Lee just says large pistol primer. Hornady, at least in my manual, did not have a load for H110 or W296 so use the load data you downloaded. I personally would use either a Winchester large pistol primer or any other large pistol primer but I would not change the load data. I would not use a magnum primer. Experimenting is for the professionals.
    Lee data for H110 is the same as you posted. Very unlikely to have a kaboom if you stick to published data. The manufacturer published data ought to be a better source than an article you can read. Be careful.
     

    rotor

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    A comment about the Lee manual, I use it but I really don't believe that Lee actually does the testing. I think they compile the data from other published sources such as Lyman, Hornady, the websites, etc. The Lee book is good but I don't place as much value in that source as some of the other manuals. I may be wrong about Lee but I don't believe they actually do the testing. Anyone else know?
     
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