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  • toddnjoyce

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    There’s a lot of policy differences I have with how governments at all levels have responded to this public health challenge. The first, and by far the worst mistake I believe has been criminalizing people and businesses over masks and social distancing.

    The second mistake, which may end up being worse over the long term, has been politicizing state and local responses. In times of perceived crisis, the role of governments is to serve as a stabilizing force; unfortunately, the D party has been determined to align local policies so that there appears to be a ‘national’ effort...this has been, and will continue to be used to advance a narrative that only the D party knows how to take care of America. In doing so, they’ve shredded basic Constitutional guarantees and are attempting to fundamentally reshape America into something we haven’t seen before.

    This is a path we cannot afford to go down, and I’m more than uncomfortable with how far federal government has gone so far. At my local level, I’m down right pissed at how openly condescending elected officials have been towards the public and towards people who don’t agree with their policies.

    I don’t know what our country is going to look like a year from now, but I don’t think it’s going to be anything I’ll to be happy with.
     

    seeker_two

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    That place east of Waco....
    There’s a lot of policy differences I have with how governments at all levels have responded to this public health challenge. The first, and by far the worst mistake I believe has been criminalizing people and businesses over masks and social distancing.

    The second mistake, which may end up being worse over the long term, has been politicizing state and local responses. In times of perceived crisis, the role of governments is to serve as a stabilizing force; unfortunately, the D party has been determined to align local policies so that there appears to be a ‘national’ effort...this has been, and will continue to be used to advance a narrative that only the D party knows how to take care of America. In doing so, they’ve shredded basic Constitutional guarantees and are attempting to fundamentally reshape America into something we haven’t seen before.

    This is a path we cannot afford to go down, and I’m more than uncomfortable with how far federal government has gone so far. At my local level, I’m down right pissed at how openly condescending elected officials have been towards the public and towards people who don’t agree with their policies.

    I don’t know what our country is going to look like a year from now, but I don’t think it’s going to be anything I’ll to be happy with.
    Even though not directly CV-19 related, the tensions caused by the government response to CV-19 is going to spur a lot of incidents like what is going on in Minneapolis now.

    I'm still surprised there haven't been any attempted assassinations of government officials yet.....

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    Brains

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    I think the fact we had to teach Americans how to wash their hands is pretty telling of our country as a whole. Sad actually.
    All this information readily available in the palm of your hand, yet there's still a 'modern' country that recently had to pass a national law to curb public defecation.
     

    FireInTheWire

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    The politicians that are pushing this hysteria are banking on division. A society divided is easier to conquer.
    This^^^
    There’s a lot of policy differences I have with how governments at all levels have responded to this public health challenge. The first, and by far the worst mistake I believe has been criminalizing people and businesses over masks and social distancing.

    The second mistake, which may end up being worse over the long term, has been politicizing state and local responses. In times of perceived crisis, the role of governments is to serve as a stabilizing force; unfortunately, the D party has been determined to align local policies so that there appears to be a ‘national’ effort...this has been, and will continue to be used to advance a narrative that only the D party knows how to take care of America. In doing so, they’ve shredded basic Constitutional guarantees and are attempting to fundamentally reshape America into something we haven’t seen before.

    This is a path we cannot afford to go down, and I’m more than uncomfortable with how far federal government has gone so far. At my local level, I’m down right pissed at how openly condescending elected officials have been towards the public and towards people who don’t agree with their policies.

    I don’t know what our country is going to look like a year from now, but I don’t think it’s going to be anything I’ll to be happy with.
    And this^^^
     

    oldag

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    How many people take these same precautions every flu season?

    Even the CDC info now shows the mortality rate is no different than the flu.
     

    SQLGeek

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    Even the CDC info now shows the mortality rate is no different than the flu.

    To be accurate, current estimate from the CDC for COVID-19 is 0.4%. Seasonal flu is 0.2% So it's twice that of the flu which is not insignificant.

    That said, it is still remarkably lower than previous estimates and that of the Spanish Flu, which was about 2.5% based on best estimates.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    ...I'm still surprised there haven't been any attempted assassinations of government officials yet.....
    On that subject, it does no good to kill off a local mayor or governor; laws of succession mostly ensure someone else already in power can step in pretty immediately.

    A recall of elected officials would be more effective, even though a serious attempt at it would be pretty difficult to pull off, considering most of the people likely to support it are also least likely to be directly impacted.

    So long as welfare money is flowing from big .gov and charities to the people (unemployment, RERF,.) there is no real disenfranchised class, which is what you need for a change in government to occur. There’s still a huge amount of the 30+M Americans who became unemployed in the last ten weeks who think their job will be back by the end of the summer; realistically, probably 10M of those jobs vaporized...mostly sole props/small businesses and the restaurant/hospitality industry. Even if that weren’t the case, there won’t be much, if any, of a jobs recovery through Q3.

    I hope I’m wrong on that part, but with so much of the service sector dependent on business travel and summer events that’ve already been canceled, I just don’t see it happening. I know many of the large companies that fuel the business travel are pretty aligned that the next decision point will be mid-August so they can have workers in buildings for Q4, which is right in time for the next flu season. Most of the newly work at home class aren’t too thrilled about that and have already said they’d prefer to consider coming back next spring, at the earliest.

    I’m guessing it’s going to be next summer before much of anything substantial begins to happen for job growth. If the Ds win, then I’m not sure what it’s going to look like because they’ve planted their flag on whatever ‘safe enough’ means.

    The real political decision to be made is lockdown round 2. If there’s any sign of positive economic change before the November elections, it’ll be really hard for governments to make that choice, especially if it appears the contagion is under control....which it will be for most of the summer. Believe it or not, what happens with Burning Man and that fall out may be an indicator of the greater public opinion than anything else.
     

    oldag

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    To be accurate, current estimate from the CDC for COVID-19 is 0.4%. Seasonal flu is 0.2% So it's twice that of the flu which is not insignificant.

    That said, it is still remarkably lower than previous estimates and that of the Spanish Flu, which was about 2.5% based on best estimates.
    To be accurate, one must account for asymptomatic rates (which the published CDC figure does not do), which lowers the CDC estimate to the range of flu.
     

    SQLGeek

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    But that's not what you said initially, you are making your own inference of the data which is not what the CDC data shows.
     

    TheDan

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    oldag

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    But that's not what you said initially, you are making your own inference of the data which is not what the CDC data shows.
    Not my inference. Check the Stanford study.

    One must get apples to apples in order to make a valid comparison.
     

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