Medical Exam Reveals Floyd Did Not Die of Asphyxiation
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Does that include the hundreds that were guarding his house or the thousands in the state that didn't go arrest the perp after watching the video? They obviously aren't pissed enough Gilbert.
A quote making the rounds that is pretty good is: "If you have 10 bad cops and 1000 good cops, but the 1000 good cops don't turn in the 10 bad cops you have 1010 bad cops." It's true. You have to police yourselves because turning a blind eye in the police profession makes you just as bad as the person you turned your eye to.
motorcarman
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The cop and the dead guy worked at the same club for 17 years so I'm pretty sure they knew each other.
You’re partially right. First I’d heard that they had LEO guarding his house. I need to read more articles obviously. To answer your question: If in fact there were 100s guarding his house, it probably was to protect the family who had nothing to do with this.
That said, I’m not sure about MN, but in Texas you must have PC to break a door down to go arrest someone. If this were Texas, we would have to wait until a warrant was issued. Then wait on a search warrant for the residence, which will permit entry.
Need to remember while he is an absolute dirtbag... he still has the right to due process as well as all of his other constitutional rights.
Seems as if this is going to be done by the book 100%. This will set a precedent in the state for officers that use excessive force.
For your comment about 10 and 1000. I do agree
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Thank you for posting this. I had no desire to comment on any of this or the threads being made. Your post however really communicated how I feel.
I will also add this: race isn’t what this should be about. People of all skin color need to identify the real problem. They need to see what happened to this man is no different than what caused children in Waco to die. Or randy weavers wife to die. Cold men in uniform who have no regard for life or rules.
I’m not going to comment any further.
It is taking all that I have to not lump at least 75% of LEOs into one basket. After all we have witnessed from Unconstitutional Covid orders being willingly enforced by various police all over the US including many in Texas.
These are cops that know to do better, but choose to do wrong and violate the Constitution and the Rights of the people they are supposed to be protecting.
Now we have this situation which only adds more evidence to the guilty side.
I don’t know anyone personally that enforced mask orders or stay at home orders, my department didn’t, neither did HPD or any of the other surrounding Harris/Ft Bend/Waller county departments. Policing isn’t black and white, there’s a lot of gray area.
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You tell folks not to generalize yet, you do it yourself for 99.99% of police.
I didn’t say all cops... you need to be able to put a value to the amount that are upset by this. Apologies for “generalizing”. Just attempting to prove a point. Let’s be clear, there are cops, good and bad. But lumping all in with the bad is a disservice to the good ones. That’s all I’m saying when I make that statement.
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The thing that gets me is that one of them reportedly checked for his pulse, did not find a pulse at about the same time he had stopped talking and appeared not to be breathing; yet, after being informed a pulse could not be found, the other officer continued with the restraint of the knee on his neck and did not in any way attempt to resuscitate him. I think, if anything, that is what is going to hang the officer who applied the knee pressure and maybe the others as well. Think about that. The officers - who likely are trained in all of this (restraints, first aid, CPR and so on) - knowing the guy has no pulse or at least that one was not found: did not remove the pressure to his neck, seemingly did not check for a pulse again, did not sufficiently if at all attempt to see if he was responsive, and did not attempt in any way, shape or form to resuscitate him and the officer kept the pressure on his neck for almost 2 minutes afterward.
They are all screwed, or so I would think if any evidence actually shows that the restraint led to his death in any contributing manner and their lack of proper action after he was unresponsive and after no pulse was found is going to damn them. What is also going to be damning, I think, is the guy in the crowd who keeps telling the cops that Floyd is unresponsive and not moving and keeps telling them to check his pulse and in essence to get off of his neck. Yes one officer reportedly suggested removing the knee and turning him on his side or something like that but did nothing to get that done and one checked his for his pulse but that evidently was way too little way too late. Of course, they are due their days in court but right now that video and the complaint look pretty damning.
They are all screwed, or so I would think if any evidence actually shows that the restraint led to his death in any contributing manner and their lack of proper action after he was unresponsive and after no pulse was found is going to damn them. What is also going to be damning, I think, is the guy in the crowd who keeps telling the cops that Floyd is unresponsive and not moving and keeps telling them to check his pulse and in essence to get off of his neck. Yes one officer reportedly suggested removing the knee and turning him on his side or something like that but did nothing to get that done and one checked his for his pulse but that evidently was way too little way too late. Of course, they are due their days in court but right now that video and the complaint look pretty damning.
Yes, I agree, lumping them all together as bad is not good but nor is lumping 99.99% of them in with your idea they are upset by this man's death no matter what point you are trying to make. If you did that, for instance with the NYPD when its ranks consisted of 38,422 officers (as of 2018), it would mean only about four (4) of them felt otherwise which is unlikely as I see it with me well knowing the mindset in the NYPD. If you did the same with the 800 officers of the MPD (yes only 800 according to Wikipedia anyway) it would mean that .08 officers (less than one) would be
Now, if you really want to consider all police officers, at least within the USA, then as of 2018 (the latest year for which I could find the numbers), there were reportedly 686,665 police officers in the USA in 2018 (source). 99.99% of them would amount to 686,596 (rounded off to near whole number) and that would be the number of officers pissed off over Mr.Floyd's death and the restraint method used by what you said. That would leave only 69 police officers in the entire USA who would not be pissed off about the death of Mr. Floyd and the method and timing of the restraint used on him. That, I think, is why generalizing like that also is a disservice, to all of us and to all of the good cops out there, because most assuredly, in my opinion based upon the number of supportive comments for the officers in that Blue Lives Matter article, there very likely are many more than 69 heartless cops in this country who are not upset over Mr. Floyd's death who do not condemn the method and length of time of the restraint used.
Axxe55
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The officer's own body cam, plus the other officer's body cams, and the conflicting arrest report of the incident are going to be two huge hurdles for the officers to overcome in a trial. They look really bad, and it would be difficult to attach reasonable doubt to either. That is a non-legal opinion, but simply an observation if I were a juror in the trial of those officers.
Federal DOJ is doing an independent investigation of the killing of George Floyd, meaning they could bring additional charges against the officer who has been charged, as well as possibly against the other three officers that were involved.
Federal DOJ is doing an independent investigation of the killing of George Floyd, meaning they could bring additional charges against the officer who has been charged, as well as possibly against the other three officers that were involved.
I’m not going to argue semantics. You’re effort in this post is evident. You win.
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I would not argue semantics either if yours had not made it appear as if we live in a fantasy-land full of good and concerned cops with so few bad ones as to be almost inconsequential. The truth is, the figures I presented were not semantics they were statistics that debunked your number of concerned and pissed off police officers. Amazingly it was okay for you to argue semantics when someone generalized but when someone debunks you then it is not okay! Go figure - oh no wait - I was the one who went out and got the numbers to do the figuring.
