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  • oldag

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    Response has been very positive as a result of the disappointment in Abbott. I don't get the piling on to Abbott. What is he supposed to do about covid? Choices are 'just let the sick folks die'?, shut the economy down for a year? Wear masks? You choose one and quit complaining!
    You can ONLY get it if someone who has it blows it into your face. Masks don't work? Take a big drag and blow into a folded tissue - then look at the inside stain. Sure they leak but breath is deposited on your face skin and cloth of the mask - long path for absorption. Bars and raves are good places to get it. Walking in the neighborhood? Nope. Public transportation? Yup.
    Abbott was supposed to NOT give in to the media driven hysteria and shut down the state.

    This virus is no worse then the flu. He was supposed to have the guts to state this and respond accordingly.

    The choices are not
    1. Shut down everything and hunker down, or
    2. Everyone dies.
    The path was to have those at high risk (the elderly and those with serious preexisting health conditions) self isolate. And let the rest of Texas get on with life just like we do every flu season.
     

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    I think the fact that the ICU's are full in so many cities suggests that CV19 is more than the flu, at least the one that we see this year. I don't think that anyone can predict how to handle this but lockdown at least bought some time. Hopefully a vaccine will be available but until then minimizing exposure and risk is the only thing we have. I am not a believer in chicken pox parties. The only way to get herd immunity is for the herd to be infected and hopefully most live or the herd gets vaccinated. I prefer the vaccine route.

    And on a lighter tone, what ever happened to Kinky?
     

    oldag

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    I think the fact that the ICU's are full in so many cities suggests that CV19 is more than the flu, at least the one that we see this year. I don't think that anyone can predict how to handle this but lockdown at least bought some time. Hopefully a vaccine will be available but until then minimizing exposure and risk is the only thing we have. I am not a believer in chicken pox parties. The only way to get herd immunity is for the herd to be infected and hopefully most live or the herd gets vaccinated. I prefer the vaccine route.

    And on a lighter tone, what ever happened to Kinky?
    You need to check and see why the ICU's are full.

    This virus is no worse than the flu.

    At a virtual press conference on Thursday, the chief executives of Houston Methodist, Memorial Hermann Health System, St. Luke’s Health, and Texas Children’s hospitals stated that their hospitals are well-prepared to handle an even greater increase in patients than that which has emerged over the past few weeks.

    The number of hospitalizations are "being misinterpreted," said Houston Methodist CEO Marc Boom, "and, quite frankly, we’re concerned that there is a level of alarm in the community that is unwarranted right now."

    "We do have the capacity to care for many more patients, and have lots of fluidity and ability to manage," Boom said.


    He pointed out that his hospital one year ago was at 95% ICU capacity, similar to the numbers the hospital is seeing today. "It is completely normal for us to have ICU capacities that run in the 80s and 90s," he said. "That's how all hospitals operate."


    He noted that around 25% of ICU patients are COVID-19-positive. But the hospital "[has] many levers in our ability to adjust our ICU," he said, claiming that the hospital capacity regularly reported by the media is "base" capacity rather than surge capacity.

    Texas Children's Hospital CEO Mark Wallace added that his facility has "a lot of capacity."

    "We have the ability to take care of all of the Houstonians that need a critical care environment, that need to be operated on, or acute care," Wallace said.

    "There is not a scenario, in my opinion, where the demand for our beds ... would eclipse our capability," he continued. "I cannot imagine that. I just cannot."
     

    BuzzinSATX

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    I know my kid is a nurse here in San Antonio and her hospital has had to shut down several wards and dedicate them to COVID-19 patients.

    lots more these days than at the peak in March.

    OLDAG...can you elaborate on your statement “check and see why the ICU’s are full”? I’m not so sure what you are referring to.

    Also, the statement “this virus is no worse that the flu” is mostly right in my mind, except for those folks who really have an adverse reaction to it. For them it is pretty deadly.

    No hype...just what I know first hand from my kid and the folks I work with who have gotten it.
     
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    I think the fact that the ICU's are full in so many cities suggests that CV19 is more than the flu, ...

    ...can you elaborate on your statement “check and see why the ICU’s are full”?
    Here’s an example from Texas Medical Center
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    https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-bed-status/

    I can give you the SAT/Bexar Co data, but it’s tabular and I’m tired of downloading the .csv, making the chart, and putting the chart here. BL: there’s about 4500 or so total beds and about 300 COVID in ICU. The other 4200 beds are mostly filled with elective money-makers.

    You can get it here: https://cosacovid-cosagis.hub.arcgi...ata?selectedAttribute=COVIDnICU&showData=true
     

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    BuzzinSATX

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    Here’s an example from Texas Medical Center
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    https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-bed-status/

    I can give you the SAT/Bexar Co data, but it’s tabular and I’m tired of downloading the .csv, making the chart, and putting the chart here. BL: there’s about 4500 or so total beds and about 300 COVID in ICU. The other 4200 beds are mostly filled with elective money-makers.

    You can get it here: https://cosacovid-cosagis.hub.arcgi...ata?selectedAttribute=COVIDnICU&showData=true
    Appreciate the info. I suspected something like this, but wasn’t sure.
     

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    I don't have all the facts but when you cut back elective surgery and your ICU is full or almost full what do you think is filling up the ICU?
     

    SQLGeek

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    Per TMC, COVID cases make up about 49% currently of the ICU capacity. Obviously they can't reduce non-COVID to zero but they're working on managing it as best they can through moving patients to med/surgical beds when possible or delaying procedures. They're still just partly into Phase 2 for capacity.

    Hospital admission rates for COVID have increased the past couple of days so we'll see how soon Phase 3 is hit.
     

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    So oldag, The path was to have those at high risk (the elderly and those with serious preexisting health conditions) self isolate. And let the rest of Texas get on with life just like we do every flu season.
    And when the (state run) old folks homes DON'T do what they should - what is Abbott to do? Toss the Admin in prison? When the kids go out and party, bring it home to parents, what do you say? Tough luck? Friend of a friend is a doc, has a friend with adult kids living at home. Guy in his 60s has it from his partying kids. Guess they get to live in his house in a month or so. I got a nephew who's wife partied and got it. She recovered.
    Too many machos here that think freedom is whatever you want to do. Parents used to call toddlers that thought that way selfish and spoiled.
    Actually the policy was set by CDC back during Bush, basically shut everything down!
     
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    oldag

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    So oldag, The path was to have those at high risk (the elderly and those with serious preexisting health conditions) self isolate. And let the rest of Texas get on with life just like we do every flu season.
    And when the (state run) old folks homes DON'T do what they should - what is Abbott to do? Toss the Admin in prison? When the kids go out and party, bring it home to parents, what do you say? Tough luck? Friend of a friend is a doc, has a friend with adult kids living at home. Guy in his 60s has it from his partying kids. Guess they get to live in his house in a month or so. I got a nephew who's wife partied and got it. She recovered.
    Too many machos here that think freedom is whatever you want to do. Parents used to call toddlers that thought that way selfish and spoiled.
    Actually the policy was set by CDC back during Bush, basically shut everything down!
    And that rant makes no sense at all. Want to collect your thoughts, take a deep breath, do some thinking and try again?

    The guy in his 60's is an adult. He should control that situation. No one else to blame if he didn't.

    Just because a small minority of the people are vulnerable is no excuse for destroying people's lives and livelihoods.
     
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