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  • MacZC7

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    Harris County is nowhere near 50 fatalities per day for COVID. They’ve only reported 458 total COVID death over 123 days, which is less than 4 extra per day. The worst day so far has been 105 extra state-wise, with the average being well below 50 statewide.

    If there’s going to be a problem it’s the logistics depending on how long the cadavers hang out in cold storage...if they’ve got to wait for a COVID test to be completed and returned prior to going to the funeral home, that’s gonna create a logjam.
    And what’s a covid death really? They are lumping in pneumonia and influenza in some of the statistics and there are many instances where people clearly died from a totally different cause and the primary cause of death was covid.
    It’s all a grey area, I’m fairly certain you can cut these figures down substantially and still be higher than the actual number.
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    dennisz

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    Assuming the base rate remains at 69, if we add about 50 a day we're increasing the numbers by 72%. I think the extra deaths on top of the presumably unchanged base rate is the issue (if there is an issue).

    My understanding is the hospitals are preparing for the potential need for more morgue space, not that they actually need more space right now. Better to be ready than start stacking bodies while you try to find a truck.
    But with the way they classify COVID deaths, how may of the daily death count are really the same as the “normal” of the 69 average?
     

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    But, but, . . . It’s communism.

    You keep missing the point. Voluntary choice is one thing. Government coercion is entirely different.

    And that’s not communism, it’s a totalitarian dictatorship but I think your strategy is to ridicule opinions that differ from yours, which saddens me because you have the education and experience to provide sound insights to the challenges your facility is undergoing.

    Texas Medical Center does a huge service in transparently posting their daily COVID information to accurately tell their story and I applaud them for that. It would be wonderful to hear how you feel their data compares to your experience in your facility.
     

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    You keep missing the point. Voluntary choice is one thing. Government coercion is entirely different.

    And that’s not communism, it’s a totalitarian dictatorship but I think your strategy is to ridicule opinions that differ from yours, which saddens me because you have the education and experience to provide sound insights to the challenges your facility is undergoing.

    Texas Medical Center does a huge service in transparently posting their daily COVID information to accurately tell their story and I applaud them for that. It would be wonderful to hear how you feel their data compares to your experience in your facility.


    I put the required mask wearing in the same mental category of wearing seat belts, driving the speed limit, car seats, and cigarette smoking limitations. Sometimes bothersome, but that is it. I just do what I’m suppose to and move on with my life.

    People make it out like they have a constitutional or inherent right to do whatever they want.

    I really don’t think the government should shut the economy down, and I’m personally conflicted about making mask wearing mandatory. I’d take a mask requirement to prevent another shut down. I think high risk groups should quarantine themselves, but it shouldn’t require a government mandate.

    COVID-19 is real. We have more now, than a month ago. I really don’t think we are going to have bodies piled up in trucks, but it seems a lot more likely now than a month ago.

    My comment was sarcastic, but so many people here have decided they are simply going to not believe anything they see or read that contradicts with their beliefs.

    We live in crazy times.
     

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    I put the required mask wearing in the same mental category of wearing seat belts, driving the speed limit, car seats, and cigarette smoking limitations. Sometimes bothersome, but that is it. I just do what I’m suppose to and move on with my life.

    People make it out like they have a constitutional or inherent right to do whatever they want.

    I really don’t think the government should shut the economy down, and I’m personally conflicted about making mask wearing mandatory. I’d take a mask requirement to prevent another shut down. I think high risk groups should quarantine themselves, but it shouldn’t require a government mandate.

    COVID-19 is real. We have more now, than a month ago. I really don’t think we are going to have bodies piled up in trucks, but it seems a lot more likely now than a month ago.

    My comment was sarcastic, but so many people here have decided they are simply going to not believe anything they see or read that contradicts with their beliefs.

    We live in crazy times.

    I will say that in the same vein that elected officials are acting like they have unlimited and uncheckable authority to do whatever they want. The spirit and the letter of the law in Texas intends that emergency powers are limited to a 30-day period.

    We’re going into the fifth 30 day period of suspending established laws for due process in government with zero officials having set the criteria for when they will return to governing under the established laws rather than by arbitrary decree.

    My career in the military taught me we are a nation of laws that apply to government just as equally as to citizens.
     

    oldag

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    I put the required mask wearing in the same mental category of wearing seat belts, driving the speed limit, car seats, and cigarette smoking limitations. Sometimes bothersome, but that is it. I just do what I’m suppose to and move on with my life.
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    Ioannes

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    Sad.

    I know some folks who normally have good common sense. You can discuss the virus hysteria with them, they think about and agree the virus is just "another flu".

    Then five minutes later they will be saying "everyone needs to wear their masks and stay safe." :banghead:
    The same thing is happening here in Arizona. The mayor of Phoenix came in during the 2018 elections and is a drama queen, lying and exaggerating the refrigerated truck thing. It's all to flip the state to Commiecrats.

    I've got relatives in Michigan who love the taste of boot leather, cowering in their basement, while their kween infringes on their rights, asking me if there are bodies in the streets in Arizona, and incredulous when I say no, because CNN's bitter fruit tells them it's Armageddon in AZ, TX and FL.

    We're not seeing it, only heard of massive lines for "free" drive-in testing. People last year lined up for 2 hours in 115 degree heat to buy a teddy bear for $10 that normally cost $70.

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    I will say that in the same vein that elected officials are acting like they have unlimited and uncheckable authority to do whatever they want. The spirit and the letter of the law in Texas intends that emergency powers are limited to a 30-day period.

    We’re going into the fifth 30 day period of suspending established laws for due process in government with zero officials having set the criteria for when they will return to governing under the established laws rather than by arbitrary decree.

    My career in the military taught me we are a nation of laws that apply to government just as equally as to citizens.

    +1

    So my hospital has fewer COVID patients compared to Texas Medical Center (as percentage). Our is about 20% which has been fairly stable this week.

    Holy cow! They burn through 9k N95s and over 800k gloves per day!
     

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    So my hospital has fewer COVID patients compared to Texas Medical Center (as percentage). Our is about 20% which has been fairly stable this week.

    Holy cow! They burn through 9k N95s and over 800k gloves per day!
    My lady gets rashes from removing PPE so many times a night. Seems unnecessary.
     

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    So my hospital has fewer COVID patients compared to Texas Medical Center (as percentage). Our is about 20% which has been fairly stable this week.

    Holy cow! They burn through 9k N95s and over 800k gloves per day!

    Thank you for that info; it certainly helps provide context.

    When my mother was considered an active C-Dif patient, between the four of us kids and staff we killed 250 gloves/day, easily. Most of the glove changes were for medical staff as we had to pick up her meals outside the room and return the trays after.
     

    2ManyGuns

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    You want to see what document you get after you test positive? This is what my buddy got today...If I’m lyin’ I’m dyin’.
    The last paragraph is the kicker.

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    What fucking moron wrote #1, "you will not be permitted to leave the Residents, Hospital or Facility..."

    Does not know the difference between residents and residence, again fucking morons writing these letters.

    Must be some dumb, fuckwit graduate from UT.
     

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    But, but, . . . It’s communism.
    I know it's a joke but the communism thing is a separate issue. Forcing healthy people to wear masks at the barrel of gun is totalitarianism and shouldn't happen.

    Refusing to wear a mask to make a political point also seems kinda silly to me. Wearing a mask seems like a reasonable suggestion that could help you and is very unlikely to hurt most of us. So refusing to wear a mask is taking a chance with your own health just to make a political point that has zero chance of changing a politician's mind.

    If a business asks you to wear a mask and you refuse you should be trespassed off the property. I really don't like people trying to assert "muh rites" over a private entity. Vote with your dollars but don't make a scene. Making a scene is no different than the Karens and their scenes.

    As a side note, since Abbott said no one can/should go to jail for refusing to wear a mask, why even pay the fine? If they can't put you in jail then I'm pretty sure they can't use deadly force to enforce the rules. What would happen if you didn't pay the fine? What if a business refuses to pay a fine levied by the county?

    ETA: If I don't require masks in my office I can be shut down. Sure, I can die on that hill and fight it out with the state but I'm not inclined to do that unless a lot of other doctors want to join me.
     
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    Sure, I can die on that hill and fight it out with the state but I'm not inclined to do that unless a lot of other doctors want to join me.
    And none of us are willing to be the first.

    Without the first leader, there will be no followers.

    And I am not being critical of TO.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    ...Refusing to wear a mask to make a political point also seems kinda silly to me...
    Protesting, rioting, and looting over shit that happened in Minneapolis seems kind of silly to me, but it’s working for them.

    One man’s folly is another man’s first amendment statement, which is where I try to find a balance. I don’t give a shit about the mask, but if you force me to do it, I’m taking my money, my vote, and my support elsewhere. I’m the fourth of at least six generations of native Texans in my family and I’ll sadly tell you Wyoming is looking awfully good right now.

    Yeah, I’m the guy who bashed Perry’s pro-business stance that kicked off a campaign resulting in 8+ million domestic immigrants of voting age that came here finally upsetting some long held stances in governing Texas.

    Mark my words were going to start seeing bills with real chances for a full time state legislature within a decade.
     
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    Thank you for that info; it certainly helps provide context.

    When my mother was considered an active C-Dif patient, between the four of us kids and staff we killed 250 gloves/day, easily. Most of the glove changes were for medical staff as we had to pick up her meals outside the room and return the trays after.

    When I got double pneumonia about 12 years ago, I developed a c dif infection in the hospital. That was a miserable existence


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