Protestor gunned down in Austin - Daniel Perry trial

benenglish · Aug 3, 2020

toddnjoyce said:
The NLRB disagrees.

https://src.bna.com/Ibt

Wow. There's some mighty thin reasoning in that document. They cite three factors to overcome their 10-part common law test. I guess that worked for them but it sure looks to me like they're arguing from a conclusion instead of toward one.

What's fun is when the NLRB and the IRS disagree. It's been a couple of decades so I'm working from memory but IIRC the IRS uses a test that breaks the common law factors into about 50 separate questions via Form SS-8.

I wonder if any Uber drivers have gotten anywhere with the IRS by filing an SS-8. That sure would be interesting.

Low_Speed · Aug 3, 2020

oldag said:
Don't confuse the boy with facts.

The fact that government entities have sided with big businesses instead of employees?! We live in a country where SCOTUS has opened sided with states against people first amendment rights.

Going by that their two factors for drivers are violated at the point of telling the drivers to leave their 2nd Amendment right at the car door.

It’s sort of like how these tech companies get immunity from being a platform but blatantly act like editors. Just because you call yourself something doesn’t mean that that is what you are.

Don’t tell me about facts. And I ain’t your boy.

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oldag · Aug 3, 2020

benenglish said:
Wow. There's some mighty thin reasoning in that document. They cite three factors to overcome their 10-part common law test. I guess that worked for them but it sure looks to me like they're arguing from a conclusion instead of toward one.

What's fun is when the NLRB and the IRS disagree. It's been a couple of decades so I'm working from memory but IIRC the IRS uses a test that breaks the common law factors into about 50 separate questions via Form SS-8.

I wonder if any Uber drivers have gotten anywhere with the IRS by filing an SS-8. That sure would be interesting.

The dichotomy is interesting.

Almost impossible to get around the IRS 30 (maybe fifty now?) question test.

oldag · Aug 3, 2020

Low_Speed said:
The fact that government entities have sided with big businesses instead of employees?! We live in a country where SCOTUS has opened sided with states against people first amendment rights.

Going by that their two factors for drivers are violated at the point of telling the drivers to leave their 2nd Amendment right at the car door.

It’s sort of like how these tech companies get immunity from being a platform but blatantly act like editors. Just because you call yourself something doesn’t mean that that is what you are.

Don’t tell me about facts. And I ain’t your boy.

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You seem to not understand the difference between what is (reality) vs. what oughta be.

Low_Speed · Aug 3, 2020

oldag said:
You seem to not understand the difference between what is (reality) vs. what oughta be.

I understand just fine. You maybe having issues though.

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cycleguy2300 · Aug 3, 2020

Low_Speed said:
Not really. Not better at all. I understand that they are giving people that drive for them that title to skirt their obligations. That doesn’t mean that that in the true sense that they aren’t employees. I don’t agree with California lawmakers on much but they saw through Uber and what they were doing.

They treat their drivers as employees in every way except in how it benefits the drivers.

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Your truth is not relative. In the "true sense" they are not employees but independent contractors as defined by law and court rulings.

Sure. If it went for a few facts they might be employees, but it is those few facts that are important.

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Low_Speed · Aug 3, 2020

cycleguy2300 said:
Your truth is not relative. In the "true sense" they are not employees but independent contractors as defined by law and court rulings.

Sure. If it went for a few facts they might be employees, but it is those few facts that are important.

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We will have to agree to disagree.

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TexasRedneck · Aug 3, 2020

The courts have held that they're not employees......so until such a time as that changes, it is what it is.

Low_Speed · Aug 3, 2020

TexasRedneck said:
The courts have held that they're not employees......so until such a time as that changes, it is what it is.

Courts have made a lot of decisions that aren’t correct. If many of the decisions made during the COVID crisis haven’t showed you that then I don’t know what will.

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V-Tach · Aug 3, 2020

lol......getting some more popcorn......extra butter, the real stuff....

Shady · Aug 3, 2020

I think the ride share buddies need to get a room for themselves and not clutter up this thread

Low_Speed · Aug 3, 2020

No need for the popcorn.

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V-Tach · Aug 3, 2020

Low_Speed said:
No need for the popcorn.

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Was that a ruling by the Courts?

lol...relax..........

cycleguy2300 · Aug 3, 2020

Low_Speed said:
We will have to agree to disagree.

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And what if I don't agree...

You might as well say team X won in my eyes. It was that last second score from a fumble that but the other team on top.

Truth isn't relative. You can say "its not right that..." or "its wrong that.." but you cannot logically say something is the "true sense" of something when it is not.

To paraphrase C.S Lewis:

Take "Gentleman" a term that once was a useful word as it meant a specific type of person, one owning land and property. However, people began to say, is not being kind and chivalrous not what "truly" makes a them a gentleman? Then as people began to corrupt the word with this new, nicer, thoughtful, kinder meaning that was everything but useful, the word "Gentleman" ceased to have meaning and definition and now simply meant a person which the speaker thought nicely of...

Words like EMPLOYEE and CONTRACTOR have specific meanings. If we just use them because we feel some one is one or the other, even in "the true sense of the word" we lose the definition and the ability to distinguish the two.

Just like if we use JUSTIFIED because we like the result....

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Low_Speed · Aug 3, 2020

cycleguy2300 said:
And what if I don't agree...

You might as well say team X won in my eyes. It was that last second score from a fumble that but the other team on top.

Truth isn't relative. You can say "its not right that..." or "its wrong that.." but you cannot logically say something is the "true sense" of something when it is not.

To paraphrase C.S Lewis:

Take "Gentleman" a term that once was a useful word as it meant a specific type of person, one owning land and property. However, people began to say, is not being kind and chivalrous not what "truly" makes a them a gentleman? Then as people began to corrupt the word with this new, nicer, thoughtful, kinder meaning that was everything but useful, the word "Gentleman" ceased to have meaning and definition and now simply meant a person which the speaker thought nicely of...

Words like EMPLOYEE and CONTRACTOR have specific meanings. If we just use them because we feel some one is one or the other, even in "the true sense of the word" we lose the definition and the ability to distinguish the two.

Just like if we use JUSTIFIED because we like the result....

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You act like you have a choice. You don’t. I’m indifferent on the matter.

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TexasRedneck · Aug 3, 2020

Low_Speed said:
Courts have made a lot of decisions that aren’t correct. If many of the decisions made during the COVID crisis haven’t showed you that then I don’t know what will.

Pro Tip: The law doesn't care what you like or don't like - it's the law, and as such will be applied. Might wanna write that down.

Low_Speed · Aug 3, 2020

TexasRedneck said:
Pro Tip: The law doesn't care what you like or don't like - it's the law, and as such will be applied. Might wanna write that down.

Don’t need the tip. Didn’t ask for it. We all know politicians write bad law from time to time. It’s ok to acknowledge that. It’s done all of the time.

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cycleguy2300 · Aug 3, 2020

Low_Speed said:
Don’t need the tip. Didn’t ask for it. We all know politicians write bad law from time to time. It’s ok to acknowledge that. It’s done all of the time.

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This guy is just a troll... he wants to ignore facts and create his own truth. We will never win here...

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Renegade · Aug 3, 2020

Low_Speed said:
The fact that government entities have sided with big businesses instead of employees?!

No surprise if that gets opinion flipped when a Democrat gets elected.

A year ago your bump stock was legal, today it is an illegal machine gun. No laws were passed in that time. This is the country we live in.

TexasRedneck · Aug 3, 2020

Low_Speed said:
Don’t need the tip. Didn’t ask for it. We all know politicians write bad law from time to time. It’s ok to acknowledge that. It’s done all of the time.

Well, then - lemme give you a clue.....

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