Whiskey, Bourbon drinkers....leave the Scotch out of it. ;)

smittyb · Aug 6, 2020

southtexaspilot said:
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Found this bottle sitting in a 5 seat hotel bar. Had to knock the dust off it.

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How much a pour?

southtexaspilot · Aug 6, 2020

smittyb said:
How much a pour?

It was about $80.

W

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SA_Steve · Aug 7, 2020

Friend of mine bought me a way overpriced "Texas" something whiskey. Not good at all. Turns out lots of the things on the store shelf are made by these folks:
https://www.mgpingredients.com/distilled-spirits

Buy their stuff wholesale, ship it to a bottler, labeler, do the legal / tax requirements and then you are in business.

busykngt · Aug 7, 2020

Yep. Most folks would be surprised how many "brands" don't own their own fermentation vats!

smittyb · Aug 7, 2020

SA_Steve said:
Friend of mine bought me a way overpriced "Texas" something whiskey. Not good at all. Turns out lots of the things on the store shelf are made by these folks:
https://www.mgpingredients.com/distilled-spirits

Buy their stuff wholesale, ship it to a bottler, labeler, do the legal / tax requirements and then you are in business.

Yes MGP has been a massive supplier for years now.
It’s Even worse than you probably know.
There are some deceptive and downright shady practices that are legally used to fool the consumer.

smittyb · Aug 7, 2020

A quick check is if the label Doesn’t say “Distilled by (insert company here)”, it’s not made by them.
A lot say “ Bottled by XXX”
Some of the very expensive labels are simply bottling other folks product.

smittyb · Aug 7, 2020

SA_Steve said:
Friend of mine bought me a way overpriced "Texas" something whiskey. Not good at all. Turns out lots of the things on the store shelf are made by these folks:
https://www.mgpingredients.com/distilled-spirits

Buy their stuff wholesale, ship it to a bottler, labeler, do the legal / tax requirements and then you are in business.

Which one was it?

toddnjoyce · Aug 7, 2020

SA_Steve said:
Friend of mine bought me a way overpriced "Texas" something whiskey. Not good at all. Turns out lots of the things on the store shelf are made by these folks:
https://www.mgpingredients.com/distilled-spirits

Buy their stuff wholesale, ship it to a bottler, labeler, do the legal / tax requirements and then you are in business.

Somewhere around here is another thread where I talk about MGP. They can and do produce top tier products, to include Whistle Pig Rye. I’ve had custom blends from MGP at Carl’s in Steamboat that rival Weller Antique, at a $9 pour.

Having said that, I don’t care for non-distiller ‘brand builders’ charging a premium for a flavor profile just because it’s labeled Bourbon.

ETA: and as you found out, not all bottlers come up with a good flavor profile.

sidebite252 · Aug 7, 2020

The curiosity for Pappy’s Bourbon has captured me for a while. I just don’t know what justifies its price & demand. If I was sure it wasn’t counterfeit I might throw down $80 for a pull. Man that’s expensive lol. I wonder if they’d accept offers on a pull?

“I’ll give you $50 and I’ll wash the dishes”.

toddnjoyce · Aug 7, 2020

sidebite252 said:
The curiosity for Pappy’s Bourbon has captured me for a while. I just don’t know what justifies its price & demand. If I was sure it wasn’t counterfeit I might throw down $80 for a pull. Man that’s expensive lol. I wonder if they’d accept offers on a pull?

“I’ll give you $50 and I’ll wash the dishes”.

PVW and Old Rip are different brands under Buffalo Trace, both distilled by Sazerac. In the early days, $80 would buy a bottle of Old Rip.

I think Old Rip is a better value.

ETA: Buffalo Trace knows Bourbon, how to promote bourbon, and how to limit supply after driving demand. They’ll start reasonable and large quantities, get some market share, then limit supply while working on other stuff, which drives demand on the bourbon secondary market.

Axxe55 · Aug 7, 2020

toddnjoyce said:
PVW and Old Rip are different brands under Buffalo Trace, both distilled by Sazerac. In the early days, $80 would buy a bottle of Old Rip.

I think Old Rip is a better value.

ETA: Buffalo Trace knows Bourbon, how to promote bourbon, and how to limit supply after driving demand. They’ll start reasonable and large quantities, get some market share, then limit supply while working on other stuff, which drives demand on the bourbon secondary market.

W L Weller is distilled at Buffalo Trace Distillery as well. That's my go to for bourbon.

toddnjoyce · Aug 7, 2020

Axxe55 said:
W L Weller is distilled at Buffalo Trace Distillery as well. That's my go to for bourbon.

Yep. Perfect example, Weller used to be $17/$22/$26 for a 750/1L/1.5L. It’s now pushing EH Taylor prices.

This year, BT is releasing a Weller Single Barrel to the market in addition to William LaRue Weller that’s only a BTAC offering. That’s the one on my list.

SA_Steve · Aug 9, 2020

The Pappy's and a few others were kick started to 30,000 feet by the TV show "Justified".

And not that many years ago, well 15...Weller was just another brand in a plastic bottle.

gamboolman · Aug 9, 2020

I like a good Rye

Axxe55 · Aug 9, 2020

SA_Steve said:
The Pappy's and a few others were kick started to 30,000 feet by the TV show "Justified".

And not that many years ago, well 15...Weller was just another brand in a plastic bottle.

Yeah there was that period when Weller came in the plastic containers. Wasn't crazy about them at all. My introduction to Weller was well over forty years ago.

toddnjoyce · Aug 10, 2020

SA_Steve said:
The Pappy's and a few others were kick started to 30,000 feet by the TV show "Justified".

And not that many years ago, well 15...Weller was just another brand in a plastic bottle.

Axxe55 said:
Yeah there was that period when Weller came in the plastic containers. Wasn't crazy about them at all. My introduction to Weller was well over forty years ago.

Four Roses was the same way.

dee · Aug 10, 2020

Picked up this bottle a few days ago. It peaked my interest as it is aged in pecan wood barrel instead of the traditional oak.

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BuzzinSATX · Sep 9, 2020

Picked up a bottle of Bulliet 8 year old last weekend. Gotta say, I really enjoyed a couple glasses on the patio on Saturday night.

Geezer · Sep 9, 2020

I have been experimenting with some of the top shelf bourbon for a while now. I have found a few that were real good and one that went down the sink drain. I have since decided that I'll sick to the lower shelves and stay with my old stand bys, Jack Daniels, Jim Beam, Wild Turkey. To me, these are still good choices and cost much less.

SURVIVOR619 · Sep 9, 2020

BuzzinSATX said:
Picked up a bottle of Bulliet 8 year old last weekend. Gotta say, I really enjoyed a couple glasses on the patio on Saturday night.

Bulleit is my go-to. Reasonable price, not sweet, not oakey or smokey.

Stopped at Costco yesterday and they were out. I don't care for Jim and even less for Jack.

Like the idea of Balcones (Texas made) but not much of a fan (too sweet or too oakey/smokey).

Ok, now that I've whined for three paragraphs, any recommendations for a solid mid-shelf bourbon that's spicy? Texas maker would be even better. TIA!

Whiskey, Bourbon drinkers....leave the Scotch out of it. ;)

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