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  • satx78247

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    Me, too. I don't actually worry about stuff outside of my control. It's just entertainment.

    TheDan,

    GOOD DEAL. = You are what the author calls, "- - - - - a person destined for life success & contentment".

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    oldag

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    We need a repository of well written, letters that could be sent to our elected state and federal politicians covering a range of 2A topics that are rational and coherent.

    Who wants to volunteer.
    Here you go.

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    Dear Senator,

    Many new legislation proposals are being floated by those who just “want to do something.” None of these will stop mass murders.. Some are actually unconstitutional. These proposals would not have prevented the tragedies garnering attention.

    Criminals do not feel bound to abide by laws. This is rather obvious. And if someone is intent on killing a number people, they will find the means to do so with or without guns. Other means (which would be more deadly) are readily available.

    Proposed laws outlawing high capacity magazines will also fail to stop killings. Swapping a magazine takes only seconds.

    With regard to red flag laws, we have a long standing principle of innocent until proven guilty. Red flag laws are prone to abuse (e.g., ex-spouse with a grudge files a false report). Also, red flag laws are unconstitutional due to the lack of due process.

    Regarding “assault weapons” bans, the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to defend freedom against a government turned to tyranny. This means that citizens must be allowed the right to arm themselves in an adequate manner . The founding fathers placed no limitation on the type of arms. Any firearm in the hands of a law abiding citizen is never a problem. And criminals will always find a way to obtain a weapon, regardless of bans.

    Reducing the occurrence of these tragedies will require addressing root causes which lie within cultural/societal issues.

    And for those who state they are solely driven by the loss of life (claiming not to be anti-gun), where is their perspective? Far more people are murdered by drunk driving than by rifles. Should we ban alcohol and/or automobiles if we are to ban rifles?

    Liberals desire to gut the Second Amendment - except for their own personal bodyguards, of course. Liberals crassly use tragedies to promote their agenda.

    I hope you will continue to stand up for our Second Amendment rights.
     

    oldag

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    Seriously.....I don’t see much if any firearms banning taking place. A large chunk of our nations tooling and manufacturing base is in firearms not to mention the revenue and taxes it generates in many different areas.
    And you think liberals care about this?

    These are the same people promoting the Green Deal which would put the entire country under.
     

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    And you think liberals care about this?

    These are the same people promoting the Green Deal which would put the entire country under.

    (I edited this version and inadvertently doubled the content and changed some formatting during a red-edit but the fucking site logged me out and I lost the additional content-a primary reason why I limit my posts to brief responses. Oldag tends to put efforts into his responses that are coherent and informative and I felt the need to reply due to the complexity of factors involved. Damn shame I lost that much content, it was significantly improved, in readability and focus. Seriously though, wgaf. And I’m out of stoli:)


    oldag, Yes, I do. I’ll preface the reasons why with the following.

    There’s more to this perceived issue of gun control, mass shootings, racial tension, left/right ideology, etc and the growing conflagration of frustration that’s erupting in response. The mob mentality that’s snowballing activism, acts of violence, ongoing demands for immigration reform and secure borders, and the outcry for a solution to end the shootings (ban firearms) and the collateral attack of demonizing what the media and minorities calls “white culture/priveledge” and white supremacy is a replay of the same shit that been happening since this country was founded. Native Americans, Chinese, Negros, Irish, even when (suffragists). Every immigrant and minority that’s stepped foot in this country had to deal with discrimination to some extend until they hopefully found cultural refuge and worked their ass off to make a living. The civil war wasn’t just about Slavery, it was driven by political/cultural/economic ideologies clashing until someone said fk it, declare war and let’s see what happens (like all wars, a fkn disaster) Demands for equal rights, free trade, citizenship, equality, you name it, conflicts over social issues have and will continue in perpetuity. It’s a facet of democracy. We the people have a voice. And it will be heard. And some will oppose it. Multiculturalism and divergent interests is a significant reason. There are others, I’m tired and don’t want to write a fkn dissertation so that the short version.

    What the left/right/lgbt whatever the fk/white/brown/black/Asian, whoever, is soon going to have to face is an economic issue that more that likely will come to pass. The ones that don’t have a clue don’t know, and the ones that do are beginning to worry, (and I’m sure major exporters Germany and China whose GDP is driven by exports are secretly close to freaking the fk out over it. They’re deflecting attention from global financial markets that are a hairs breadth from imploding. Fed rates lowered two months ago, a significant chance of US treasury bonds with negative yields which isn’t that unique considering most first world nations have negative yields. But it’s a first for the US. Do you know that the consequences are if that comes to pass (and I’m sure it will-China and Germany needs their asses kicked for not playing fair in trade and financial markets). If a country or institutional investor has invested (China=$34 trillion) in US treasuries and it’s return is in the negative, they LOSE money. And they can’t cash them until the dates of maturity. That opens a HUGE can of worms. And it will have a significant collateral affect on the economy of our country in world trade. The economic affect within our borders, not so much. We are and can be self sustaining if need be. But it will be painful as fk. And there are those in the beltway, Wall Street, finance, and others in this country who see the ramifications. But it needs to happen. And I think it will. But I don’t see a huge chunk of our nations economy thrown out.

    I do see a choice being made to stop the influx of unfettered masses entering our country. If our economy contracts, no jobs. It won’t takes long for the economics fire to burn some political asses to persuade them to dispense with manipulative emotional self serving rhetoric and focus on what’s most important; the welfare of this nation and it’s citizens. Brown, black, Asian, white, whoever. Particularly I f you’ve earned that right through birthright and hard work


    Whats driving the media attention is fueled not so much by opposing ideology or frustration but by inflammatory rhetoric. but by the lack of a coherent political response to a number of societies ills. and reality of the fed rate reduction a couple months ago coupled with the prospect of potential negative yields for US treasuries and the collateral consequences is soon going to have a trickle down affect that will be felt the most by unskilled labor. Hopefully, they’ll focus on taking care of their constituency and stop pandering with absurd, knee jerk reactions that are unrealistic and at times delusional.

    I can’t say I know any true racists. But I do know many who aren’t willing to give handouts and want our borders closed to illegals. For reasons of security, multicultural cohesion, limited natural resources and infrastructure, and economics. That, is the root cause of many of this nations ills and the collateral consequences of political irresponsibility in enforcing the will of the people. Not the UN or anyone else who doesn’t belong here and want entry to take this nations wealth and redistribute it globaly by breaking our laws and not earning that right. It’s a slap in the face to legal immigrants and the citizens of this country who have a codified right to equal protection under that law.

    Something to keep in mind. Our rights as a country and race encompass much more than gun rights. As a white man, I will not be silenced. I have the right as does everyone else to voice my opinion on illegal immigrants and equal rights under law in a respectable, coherent manner without being attacked on emotional, moral grounds that lack foundation and a veiled threat to accede to the demands of those with differing opinions. And our nations failure to protect those rights is disgraceful. Im not racist, I’m not a white supremacist, I merely want to preserve this nation that my forefathers built and died for and I will not stand by idly and watch it turned into a third world country by a swarm of criminals who lack the moral compass, fortitude and perseverance to build the nation they desire in their homeland and come here because it’s the easy way out and expect our country’s citizens to pay their way. **** that. I’ve heard and read many citizens and difference races all across this country state the following; Anyone that thinks that’s going to happen is delusional, and I agree.

    We are not the dumping ground for people of failed nations from all over the world.
     
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    oldag

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    (I edited this version and inadvertently doubled the content and changed some formatting during a red-edit but the fucking site logged me out and I lost the additional content-a primary reason why I limit my posts to brief responses. Oldag tends to put efforts into his responses that are coherent and informative and I felt the need to reply due to the complexity of factors involved. Damn shame I lost that much content, it was significantly improved, in readability and focus. Seriously though, wgaf. And I’m out of stoli:)


    oldag, Yes, I do. I’ll preface the reasons why with the following.

    There’s more to this perceived issue of gun control, mass shootings, racial tension, left/right ideology, etc and the growing conflagration of frustration that’s erupting in response. The mob mentality that’s snowballing activism, acts of violence, ongoing demands for immigration reform and secure borders, and the outcry for a solution to end the shootings (ban firearms) and the collateral attack of demonizing what the media and minorities calls “white culture/priveledge” and white supremacy is a replay of the same shit that been happening since this country was founded. Native Americans, Chinese, Negros, Irish, even when (suffragists). Every immigrant and minority that’s stepped foot in this country had to deal with discrimination to some extend until they hopefully found cultural refuge and worked their ass off to make a living. The civil war wasn’t just about Slavery, it was driven by political/cultural/economic ideologies clashing until someone said fk it, declare war and let’s see what happens (like all wars, a fkn disaster) Demands for equal rights, free trade, citizenship, equality, you name it, conflicts over social issues have and will continue in perpetuity. It’s a facet of democracy. We the people have a voice. And it will be heard. And some will oppose it. Multiculturalism and divergent interests is a significant reason. There are others, I’m tired and don’t want to write a fkn dissertation so that the short version.

    What the left/right/lgbt whatever the fk/white/brown/black/Asian, whoever, is soon going to have to face is an economic issue that more that likely will come to pass. The ones that don’t have a clue don’t know, and the ones that do are beginning to worry, (and I’m sure major exporters Germany and China whose GDP is driven by exports are secretly close to freaking the fk out over it. They’re deflecting attention from global financial markets that are a hairs breadth from imploding. Fed rates lowered two months ago, a significant chance of US treasury bonds with negative yields which isn’t that unique considering most first world nations have negative yields. But it’s a first for the US. Do you know that the consequences are if that comes to pass (and I’m sure it will-China and Germany needs their asses kicked for not playing fair in trade and financial markets). If a country or institutional investor has invested (China=$34 trillion) in US treasuries and it’s return is in the negative, they LOSE money. And they can’t cash them until the dates of maturity. That opens a HUGE can of worms. And it will have a significant collateral affect on the economy of our country in world trade. The economic affect within our borders, not so much. We are and can be self sustaining if need be. But it will be painful as fk. And there are those in the beltway, Wall Street, finance, and others in this country who see the ramifications. But it needs to happen. And I think it will. But I don’t see a huge chunk of our nations economy thrown out.

    I do see a choice being made to stop the influx of unfettered masses entering our country. If our economy contracts, no jobs. It won’t takes long for the economics fire to burn some political asses to persuade them to dispense with manipulative emotional self serving rhetoric and focus on what’s most important; the welfare of this nation and it’s citizens. Brown, black, Asian, white, whoever. Particularly I f you’ve earned that right through birthright and hard work


    Whats driving the media attention is fueled not so much by opposing ideology or frustration but by inflammatory rhetoric. but by the lack of a coherent political response to a number of societies ills. and reality of the fed rate reduction a couple months ago coupled with the prospect of potential negative yields for US treasuries and the collateral consequences is soon going to have a trickle down affect that will be felt the most by unskilled labor. Hopefully, they’ll focus on taking care of their constituency and stop pandering with absurd, knee jerk reactions that are unrealistic and at times delusional.

    I can’t say I know any true racists. But I do know many who aren’t willing to give handouts and want our borders closed to illegals. For reasons of security, multicultural cohesion, limited natural resources and infrastructure, and economics. That, is the root cause of many of this nations ills and the collateral consequences of political irresponsibility in enforcing the will of the people. Not the UN or anyone else who doesn’t belong here and want entry to take this nations wealth and redistribute it globaly by breaking our laws and not earning that right. It’s a slap in the face to legal immigrants and the citizens of this country who have a codified right to equal protection under that law.

    Something to keep in mind. Our rights as a country and race encompass much more than gun rights. As a white man, I will not be silenced. I have the right as does everyone else to voice my opinion on illegal immigrants and equal rights under law in a respectable, coherent manner without being attacked on emotional, moral grounds that lack foundation and a veiled threat to accede to the demands of those with differing opinions. And our nations failure to protect those rights is disgraceful. Im not racist, I’m not a white supremacist, I merely want to preserve this nation that my forefathers built and died for and I will not stand by idly and watch it turned into a third world country by a swarm of criminals who lack the moral compass, fortitude and perseverance to build the nation they desire in their homeland and come here because it’s the easy way out and expect our country’s citizens to pay their way. **** that. I’ve heard and read many citizens and difference races all across this country state the following; Anyone that thinks that’s going to happen is delusional, and I agree.

    We are not the dumping ground for people of failed nations from all over the world.
    Wide ranging response.

    I will leave it at this. I think you are giving liberals far too much credit. I don't think they could care less about losing a gun manufacturing base (or the jobs and tax revenue that go with it). After all, millions of jobs will be created by the Green Deal.

    These folks are only worry about power - via getting elected. They don't care about their constituents. And they believe that taking these leftist positions will energize their base and get them elected.

    If the economy tanks, so much the better to them. They will blame Trump.
     

    birddog

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    Wide ranging response.

    I will leave it at this. I think you are giving liberals far too much credit. I don't think they could care less about losing a gun manufacturing base (or the jobs and tax revenue that go with it). After all, millions of jobs will be created by the Green Deal.

    These folks are only worry about power - via getting elected. They don't care about their constituents. And they believe that taking these leftist positions will energize their base and get them elected.

    If the economy tanks, so much the better to them. They will blame Trump.

    Yep, the edits to what I wrote initially were significant, more linear with additional relevant content than what I’d intended. It was much more informative imho.

    Regarding the “left”, I don’t buy into the mantra of a uniform consistent leftist hive ideology that is monolithic with defined boundaries. Conforming to acceptable standards of behavior for acceptance is preferable to being shunned in life, be it in school, work, with family, friends or society in general. You may be a cross dressing closet tranny but going to church service dressed like Frankenfurter from Rocky Horror isn’t going to work out well if you want to be invited to Sunday potluck dinners. Political ideologies are no different, hidden just as easily if not more. And as plastic as other aspects of ones personality. No one want to be a pariah, nothan whites who were horrified at the treatment of blacks during slavery but were fearful of ruining their lives and standing in their community or social circles if they voiced their opinion. Some dems surely voted for Trump. And some will again. Particularly given the comical, disastrous displays of socialist lunacy espoused during the dem debates.

    Many dems who aren’t fervent socialists, just a little lib who sees things differently without extremist beliefs. If restrictions on some firearms would guarantee with absolute certainty gun violence would cease to exist, I’d say go for it. Does that make me a commie lib dem? Of course not.

    Gun rights aren’t being threatened. Our ability to express our opinions and views and rights are what’s under attack. Nip that in the bud, we’ll be fine. Cower in collective shame for pst deeds of our forefathers and fail to stand tall for what this country and its predominantly Anglo Saxon catholic protestan culture has achieved, obviously with significant assistance from minoroties, and we’ll be fucked. Like what’s occurring to whites in S. Africa. And that, is a horror with no escape. Where would we go?

    Fight for your rights and the integrity of our borders and economy, or you will surely lose everything you possess.
     
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