.224 calkyrie Vs 6.5 Creedmore

[cajunautoxer]

I shoot my 5.56 out to 600 all the time. Only so close I can group it with a 6X scope.

I prefer the Creedmore over Grendal. But damn 24" is gonna make it hard to build a balanced rifle

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[DyeF9]

I shoot my 5.56 out to 600 all the time. Only so close I can group it with a 6X scope.

I prefer the Creedmore over Grendal. But damn 24" is gonna make it hard to build a balanced rifle

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There are 6.5 creedmoor rifles that use a 20" barrel, so if you're okay with the loss in velocity you have some options

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[Big Green]

I prefer the Creedmore over Grendal. But damn 24" is gonna make it hard to build a balanced rifle

Why is that? I have a long rail on my 22 along with a PRS stock. It’s heavy but balanced.

 

[zackmars]

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[zackmars]

Not really new been out over 10 years. Just not "discovered" until recently.

10 years is really new in the world of firearms. The 2 most popular pistol calibers are both over 100 years old, and the most popular rifle round is around 60.

In any case, .224V lacks the performance and and record of 6.5CM.

Its not worth it IMO to build a giant AR15 when 5.56 is more than capable of going over 600 yards, and 6.5CM will outperform it (.224) at longer distances

 

[ed308]

Its not worth it IMO to build a giant AR15 when 5.56 is more than capable of going over 600 yards, and 6.5CM will outperform it (.224) at longer distances

The .224 Valkyrie out performs the .223/5.56. It can reach to 1000 yards. Given that it's only been around for a couple years, with time you'll see this cartridge develop to it's full potential.

 

[EZ-E]

Here's a pretty good article from Primary Arms. It compares the 6.5 grendel & the .224 valkyrie.
Both will fit an AR15 lower, without having to go to an AR10 if going with the 6.5 creedmoor.


Just a quote from the full article that sums it up.
TWO PATHS TO PERFECTION
Well, would you like a larger, heavier bullet that will thump a little? Or a smaller, faster bullet that will buck the wind and drop less? That’s a bit of an over-simplification, but it is accurate. Here’s what it comes down to: Those who prefer a proven system, want to hunt medium to large game, or demand a short, handy rifle will love 6.5 Grendel. Shooters who like to shoot at long range targets, enjoy varmint hunting with a low recoiling rifle, and plan to shoot exclusively from supported positions should give .224 Valkyrie serious consideration. Let your own priorities determine your final decision and we’ll see you out on the range.

https://www.primaryarms.com/blog/224-Valkyrie-vs-65-Grendel-caliber-battle

 

[zackmars]

The .224 Valkyrie out performs the .223/5.56. It can reach to 1000 yards. Given that it's only been around for a couple years, with time you'll see this cartridge develop to it's full potential.

You are missing the point I'm making.

.224 requires a very long barrel.

5.56 is capable out to 600 yards, even in carbine format

6.5CM vastly out performs both at longer range.

Why would you go with .224V, when the only thing it does better than 5.56, is still far inferior than 6.5 creedmoor?


You probably wouldn't, like the vast majority of people who aren't shooting .224, and are either going for a smaller, lighter 5.56, or just accepting that a long range semi auto precision rifle will neither be short, or light, and getting the extra space a .308 pattern AR provides.

And as for its full potential, history is littered with cartridges whose full potential was only a dead end. Will that be what happens to .224V? I don't know. The "not 5.56 in an AR15" is already a pretty crowded market, but as you said, its still new

 

[dee]

The .224 Valkyrie out performs the .223/5.56. It can reach to 1000 yards. Given that it's only been around for a couple years, with time you'll see this cartridge develop to it's full potential.

OP listed 600yds as a max range which is right at the tipping point of the 224v gaining big ground over the 223. Here is a comparison in ballistics (223 73gr match and 224v 90gr match) now keep in mind this is providing that guns reach the advertised velocity. Drop isn't a big concern as it's the easiest factor in longer range shooting but wind is you're separator and I plugged in a full value 3 o'clock 10mph wind. The 223 is within .1-.3mil all the way out to 600 which is not a great deal and imo well worth the sacrifice when you factor in it's 5-6$ less per box over the good federal 90gr stuff.

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[ed308]

You are missing the point I'm making.

.224 requires a very long barrel.

5.56 is capable out to 600 yards, even in carbine format

6.5CM vastly out performs both at longer range.

Why would you go with .224V, when the only thing it does better than 5.56, is still far inferior than 6.5 creedmoor?

You probably wouldn't, like the vast majority of people who aren't shooting .224, and are either going for a smaller, lighter 5.56, or just accepting that a long range semi auto precision rifle will neither be short, or light, and getting the extra space a .308 pattern AR provides.

And as for its full potential, history is littered with cartridges whose full potential was only a dead end. Will that be what happens to .224V? I don't know. The "not 5.56 in an AR15" is already a pretty crowded market, but as you said, its still new

I've got all three. Of course the 6.5 CM out performs the .224 Valkyrie. But I like less weight and softer recoil with the same 22" barrel. Plus, I can reload some of the same bullets as the .223/5.56 like the 77 gr pills. Give the cartridge time to mature.

 

[Younggun]

OP listed 600yds as a max range which is right at the tipping point of the 224v gaining big ground over the 223. Here is a comparison in ballistics (223 73gr match and 224v 90gr match) now keep in mind this is providing that guns reach the advertised velocity. Drop isn't a big concern as it's the easiest factor in longer range shooting but wind is you're separator and I plugged in a full value 3 o'clock 10mph wind. The 223 is within .1-.3mil all the way out to 600 which is not a great deal and imo well worth the sacrifice when you factor in it's 5-6$ less per box over the good federal 90gr stuff. View attachment 173502 View attachment 173503

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I think you are making the mistake of only considering scenarios you would find yourself in.

I spent the weekend shooting rabbits in west Texas. My longest shot was probably around 150 yards so bullet drop wasn’t a big factor. That said, if the vegetation was shorter shots could have gone much longer. When that happens a flatter shooting bullet gives more room for error in range estimation. You can know your drops down to the yard but it won’t help if you don’t know the distance with the same accuracy and there’s usually not time to dig out a rangefinder.


Same issue with wind drift. The better the bullets handled wind, the more room for error when it comes to compensating for it. Get it wrong and instead of a stationary target you get one that’s running and changing direction.

My AR is fairly heavy, but MUCH lighter than my RPR in 6.5CM. Same weight with less drop and wind drift sounds like a win and I’d be ha d loading anyways so cost difference is negligible.

Yes, a .224V would beat .223 hands down for varmint hunting.


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[dee]

I think you are making the mistake of only considering scenarios you would find yourself in.

I spent the weekend shooting rabbits in west Texas. My longest shot was probably around 150 yards so bullet drop wasn’t a big factor. That said, if the vegetation was shorter shots could have gone much longer. When that happens a flatter shooting bullet gives more room for error in range estimation. You can know your drops down to the yard but it won’t help if you don’t know the distance with the same accuracy and there’s usually not time to dig out a rangefinder.


Same issue with wind drift. The better the bullets handled wind, the more room for error when it comes to compensating for it. Get it wrong and instead of a stationary target you get one that’s running and changing direction.

My AR is fairly heavy, but MUCH lighter than my RPR in 6.5CM. Same weight with less drop and wind drift sounds like a win and I’d be ha d loading anyways so cost difference is negligible.

Yes, a .224V would beat .223 hands down for varmint hunting.


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I completely understand that but it wasn't listed in the criteria. Ukd scenario favors a flat round or other options (ie range finder, mapped terrain with landmarks or a scope with really good parallax adjustment) but then again the 223 favors the 224v until 500yds. I've not shot rabbits in years but have prairie dogs which is similar and after spotting/shooting both 223 and 224v I wouldn't spend more ammo on a 224 it isn't enough benefit.

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[gshayd]

6.5 Creedmore..no brainer

 

[Dawico]

*Creedmoor

 

[Vaquero]

Grendel

 

[HKShooter65]

Spoke to one of my gunshop-owning buddies today.

He feels the Valkyrie was a flash in the pan.
Long heavy bullets shot out of a standard AR magazine is a very real advantage.
Just a niche round unfortunately.
99% of us don't shoot 500 yards ever. It's a .223 on steroids.
Will be rare if you don't hand-load, in the near future.

6.5 Creedmoor rifles fly off his shelves.
It's filled a genuine need. It's be here to stay for good reason.



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