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  • TexasR.N.

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    Libertarians lose me with the legalizing drugs platform. I have seen too much damage done by drugs and just can't go along with it. If they'd drop this line of thinking I'd be on board with them.

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    Libertarians lose me with the legalizing drugs platform. I have seen too much damage done by drugs and just can't go along with it. If they'd drop this line of thinking I'd be on board with them.

    Craig

    I have a few thoughts on the subject.

    I've seen a lot of lives destroyed by drugs and alcohol too. My main beef is I'm not everyone's mother. We are giving drug dealing criminals way too much access to cash and power, and junkies are stealing people's property to support their expensive habit. In my house, my wife and I, not the government, Hollywood, or nanny, control the tv programs we watch, internet access, guns, vehicles, cleaning solutions, food, schooling, etc..

    If legalizing drugs is the only thing that keeps Libertarians from joining conservative Republicans, I'd say they need to wake up to life.
     

    TexasR.N.

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    I have a few thoughts on the subject.

    I've seen a lot of lives destroyed by drugs and alcohol too. My main beef is I'm not everyone's mother. We are giving drug dealing criminals way too much access to cash and power, and junkies are stealing people's property to support their expensive habit. In my house, my wife and I, not the government, Hollywood, or nanny, control the tv programs we watch, internet access, guns, vehicles, cleaning solutions, food, schooling, etc..

    If legalizing drugs is the only thing that keeps Libertarians from joining conservative Republicans, I'd say they need to wake up to life.

    Our home sounds very similar to yours. We are responsible for our kids up bringing not anybody else.

    Dealing with drug dealers......they should qualify for the death penalty, they should be hunted down like the rabid dogs they are and removed from society. Is there another group / category that has done more damage to our kids and society as a hole? You get caught selling drugs, you die. I don't care if you are in the hood or some in affluent neighborhood. It should be very dangerous to be a drug dealer in our country.

    I apologize for any hijack that took place. Just got off on a rant.

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    Should we kill the CEO's of Anheiser Busch as well? There are a lot of people that died from complications with alcohol as well (not even counting those that were victims of drunk driving), or tobacco. Both of those things are addictive. The lowlifes that break the law will always be there because usually their mothers and fathers didn't raise them right. Ultimately, there will be bad people who help other people destroy their lives for some financial gain. It is up to the individual to do the right thing. We've already spent billions on the war on drugs, and where has it gotten us? Where did prohibition get us besides people in jail for something they would do regardless of legality? I understand that drugs of all forms are bad, and it would be great if we could rid the world of those vices, but taxing us to fight that loosing battle isn't the right way, or we would have succeeded in the 80's when Regan implemented the plan.
     

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    Should we kill the CEO's of Anheiser Busch as well? There are a lot of people that died from complications with alcohol as well (not even counting those that were victims of drunk driving), or tobacco. Both of those things are addictive. The lowlifes that break the law will always be there because usually their mothers and fathers didn't raise them right. Ultimately, there will be bad people who help other people destroy their lives for some financial gain. It is up to the individual to do the right thing. We've already spent billions on the war on drugs, and where has it gotten us? Where did prohibition get us besides people in jail for something they would do regardless of legality? I understand that drugs of all forms are bad, and it would be great if we could rid the world of those vices, but taxing us to fight that loosing battle isn't the right way, or we would have succeeded in the 80's when Regan implemented the plan.

    Alcohol is nowhere as addictive as crack or heroine. Alcohol can be used in small quantites and depending on which reports you believe have health benefits. Not the same case as narcotics. However, there are far too many people who have no business drinking, but nonetheless, there is no comparison between someone who has a had a few beers and someone who has done crack, PCP, heroine.........I have had moments where I was ready for prohibition of alcohol.

    The war on drugs has been a joke. If we were serious about it we would have hunted the trafficers down and eliminated them. Again make it a hazardous to drug dealers health to sell drugs.

    Now this is where I will be a hypocrite. Depending how it was done, I could tolerate legalization of marijuana, grow your own / smoke your own. As a disclaimer, if it were legal I still wouldn't have anything to do with it. I have yet to take care of person (ER nurse here) who smoked a few joints (unless it was laced with something like PCP).

    Wish I was more articulate in getting my points across.

    Again, apologies for takiing this away from the GOP leaving the voters.

    Craig
     

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    TexasR.N. Just one little tid-bit. It already is hazardous to be a drug dealer.

    Good point. I prefer it to be fatal.

    But I have wondered way off topic. I used to be a Republican, now just a conservative. I think the McCain presidential campaign was the tipping point.

    I do like Sarah Palin and her recent support behind a conservative candidate vs. the republican candidate in NY.

    Craig
     

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    There is hardly a dimes worth of difference between the modern Republicans and the Socialist Democrats today. Reagan is dead and he had no heir. The limp wristed capitulating Republicans try to appease the left and court the middle and the true Republican voters can't stomach that. Special interest wants the money of the center and left and the puppet republicans are just as much owned as the socialists. JFK was far more conservative than any current republican I can think of. Some right wing politicians talk a good game but the first chance they are tested they drop to their knees like a Barney Frank dream date. Bush brought us the DHS. That crime is sure to be as much a blow to liberty as anything BHO could conjure up. The left is trying to destroy our economy so they can take over our country and it seems they are succeeding. I'm afraid like any drunk our country will have to hit bottom before it can get back on its feet. When the hammer truly drops is when our country can get back on track. The left is hoping to to emerge from the ashes the victor, but I believe the right thinking Americans will be more prepared. Calories will be currency and brass and lead will be insurance.
     

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    There is hardly a dimes worth of difference between the modern Republicans and the Socialist Democrats today. Reagan is dead and he had no heir. The limp wristed capitulating Republicans try to appease the left and court the middle and the true Republican voters can't stomach that. Special interest wants the money of the center and left and the puppet republicans are just as much owned as the socialists. JFK was far more conservative than any current republican I can think of. Some right wing politicians talk a good game but the first chance they are tested they drop to their knees like a Barney Frank dream date. Bush brought us the DHS. That crime is sure to be as much a blow to liberty as anything BHO could conjure up. The left is trying to destroy our economy so they can take over our country and it seems they are succeeding. I'm afraid like any drunk our country will have to hit bottom before it can get back on its feet. When the hammer truly drops is when our country can get back on track. The left is hoping to to emerge from the ashes the victor, but I believe the right thinking Americans will be more prepared. Calories will be currency and brass and lead will be insurance.

    Outstanding! And IMHO couldn't have been said any better.

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    I think the most likely scenario would be for the traditional conservative members of the Republican party to split off and form their own party.

    Maybe it's happening already - money and endorsements are coming in from all over the country to support this guy. Of course, this could be partly because the Republicans are running such an awful choice for a candidate, but it's worth watching:

    Hoffman Surges Into Lead in NY-23
    New CFG Poll shows Hoffman 31.3%, Owens 27.0%, Scozzafava 19.7%

    Washington - A poll released today by the Club for Growth shows Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman surging into the lead in the special election in New York's 23rd congressional district to replace John McHugh, the former congressman who recently became Secretary of the Army. The poll of 300 likely voters, conducted October 24-25, 2009, shows Conservative Doug Hoffman at 31.3%, Democrat Bill Owens at 27.0%, Republican Dede Scozzafava at 19.7%, and 22% undecided. The poll's margin of error is +/- 5.66%. No information was provided about any of the candidates prior to the ballot question. This is the third poll done for the Club for Growth in the NY-23 special election, and Doug Hoffman is the only candidate to show an increase in his support levels in each successive poll. The momentum in the race is clearly with Hoffman. "Hoffman now has a wide lead among both Republicans and Independents, while Owens has a wide lead among Democrats. Dede Scozzafava's support continues to collapse, making this essentially a two-candidate race between Hoffman and Owens in the final week," concluded Basswood Research's pollster Jon Lerner, who conducted the poll for the Club.
     

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    Libertarians lose me with the legalizing drugs platform. I have seen too much damage done by drugs and just can't go along with it. If they'd drop this line of thinking I'd be on board with them.

    Craig
    this is not the libertarian platform by any means. The libertarian standpoint is that the feds should decriminalize and get out of the war on drugs. Leave it up to the states to decide. A quick look at the last candidate will affirm what I have said.
     

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    Maybe it's happening already - money and endorsements are coming in from all over the country to support this guy. Of course, this could be partly because the Republicans are running such an awful choice for a candidate, but it's worth watching:

    Hoffman Surges Into Lead in NY-23
    New CFG Poll shows Hoffman 31.3%, Owens 27.0%, Scozzafava 19.7%

    Washington - A poll released today by the Club for Growth shows Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman surging into the lead in the special election in New York's 23rd congressional district to replace John McHugh, the former congressman who recently became Secretary of the Army. The poll of 300 likely voters, conducted October 24-25, 2009, shows Conservative Doug Hoffman at 31.3%, Democrat Bill Owens at 27.0%, Republican Dede Scozzafava at 19.7%, and 22% undecided. The poll's margin of error is +/- 5.66%. No information was provided about any of the candidates prior to the ballot question. This is the third poll done for the Club for Growth in the NY-23 special election, and Doug Hoffman is the only candidate to show an increase in his support levels in each successive poll. The momentum in the race is clearly with Hoffman. "Hoffman now has a wide lead among both Republicans and Independents, while Owens has a wide lead among Democrats. Dede Scozzafava's support continues to collapse, making this essentially a two-candidate race between Hoffman and Owens in the final week," concluded Basswood Research's pollster Jon Lerner, who conducted the poll for the Club.

    I have been listening to this guy (Hoffman) do interviews on different shows over the last week and he says the right things. I saw newt tonight on Greta. He defended his backing of Scozzafava by saying that the NRA gave their approval to her, she is against obamacare, against cap & trade, etc.... If all of this is true why did the Daily Kos support her as well as the working family party? Newt left this little tidbit out.

    this is not the libertarian platform by any means. The libertarian standpoint is that the feds should decriminalize and get out of the war on drugs. Leave it up to the states to decide. A quick look at the last candidate will affirm what I have said.
    I'll look into this.

    I saw John Stossel making the rounds and part of what he said was the libertarians were for legalizing of drugs and I tuned out.

    Craig
     

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    this is not the libertarian platform by any means. The libertarian standpoint is that the feds should decriminalize and get out of the war on drugs. Leave it up to the states to decide. A quick look at the last candidate will affirm what I have said.


    +1 Loblaw. I was going to stay out of this one, as I don't enjoy mute arguments with people who don't even bother to look up facts in regard to the libertarian partys. I am a Reagan man, but he did screw up once. The war on drugs has diverted alot of the BS taxes we already pay towards a futile cause. Case in point: Prohibition. Until we get another Reagan, I am going to squander my vote for another "unviable" libertarian candidate.

    Conservatives, I love you all, and I'm sure 90% of you on here are Republicans. But when you have a PRESIDENTIAL candidate (cough McCain) that has flip-flopped on gun control in the past, you've lost my vote.
     

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    Haven't followed the NY race much, hey, I'm waaaaayyyyy down here in God's Country. To me it doesn't say much that Hoffman has 31% while so many are still undecided????

    But I will say this. If the liberal democrat is not defeated by at least 1,000 votes, or whatever to avoid a recount, he WINS.

    They have it down pat now, they have their ACORN system in place.
     

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    The libertarian standpoint is that the feds should decriminalize and get out of the war on drugs.


    For me, that's the main selling point. Get out of the Mommy business.

    The problem I'd see with the Libers joining the GOP is the republicans would dump on them as soon as they had them in their pocket.
     
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