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9mm Carbine Rifle thoughts...

Discussion in 'Rifles' started by Reelthrill, Oct 19, 2018.

  1. Reelthrill

    Reelthrill Member

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    I am looking at 9mm carbine rifles for gun range plinking and around the house protection.

    So many options. I have it narrowed down in my mind to a Beretta Cx4 Storm, Sig MPX, or CZ Scorpion EVO 3.

    I like my Beretta 92FS and the Storm has compatible magazines, plus.

    Sig MPX people rave about it, but magazines are pricey

    CZ seems to be the budget leader in the space, but complain about deleting the safety digging into their hand and the trigger.

    Countless reviews abound, a lot of information out there in research is causing information overload. Lots of manufacturer fanboys out there seem to skew thoughts.

    Instead of asking which one would you pick, I want to ask the question a different way.

    Which would you eliminate off the choices and why are you eliminating that firearm(s)?
     


  2. skfullen

    skfullen In the woods... TGT Supporter

    I have the Beretta carbine and a 92. It makes the PERFECT pair. I usually keep the 92 on me while I travel, and have the carbine cased in the back seat. I would not look any further than Beretta...

    Unless...you look at the Keltec. I had one of those - not anymore. There were no issues, but it just did not feel as "substantial" as the Beretta. The folding attribute the Keltec is a positive, and you can get buy variations to share magazines with the Beretta, or Glock, etc.
     
  3. Moonpie

    Moonpie TGT Addict Lifetime Member

    As an owner of a Beretta Storm carbine there are several things on it that need improvement.
    Probably the biggest issue is the trigger. It sucks.
    Sierra Papa sells an upgrade kit but it costs damn near half the price of the entire gun. Berettta should do better.
    A few other minor items such as a recoil buffer are needed. That big bolt slaps harder during recoil than you’d think.
    The purchase price is way too expensive for what it is.
    While a quality firearm you can go the 9mm AR route for a lot less.
     
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  4. Younggun

    Younggun Doer of Deeds TGT Supporter Admin

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    It’s easy to improve the CX4 trigger. Just take it easy and test as you go.


    Most of the issues with the CX4 are related to stupid import laws. I’ve found it it be very reliable and plenty accurate. Don’t like the giant plastic ears that protect the sights though.

    I have an Uzi Model B. That is a shitty trigger with no hope of improvement and a much worse case of “heavy sloppy bolt” so maybe it’s subjective. Even so, I much prefer it to the CX4 simply because it is what it is. I do think the CX4 runs a little high for what it is, but I hasn’t found any real quality issues with it. Go a different direction if you want to suppress it at any point.

    No experience with 9mm ARs. Seems a 300BO AR is a better alternative but you loose the mag sharing abilities if you have a glock.

    IMO, all the PCCs are fun and it’s worth having one.


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  5. DD130

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    There are a few others out there, like he GP Stribog, and of course the pricey MP5 clones from the likes of PTR and Zenith (and POF but I've yet to find anyone that will admit to having them in stock).

    I'll be watching this thread since I'm in the market for the same thing. I like the "fell" of the MPX, but I hate the AR charging system, and it has expensive mags.. so those are both detractors for me (oh.. and the price too). The EVO3 keeps popping back up. I'm not at all a fan of all that polymer, but it does seem to balance well in my hand and the trigger is not horrible. Stribog was interesting as well and there are parts to add braces, like the CZ and everything else for that matter.

    I've come close to buying a couple of AR 9mms, the prices are always right... heck, for the price of the MPX, I can get the CZ (or 2) and an AR9.

    I'll be interested to hear what you end up doing and why.
     
  6. Moonpie

    Moonpie TGT Addict Lifetime Member

    A couple of different 9mm’s I have are fun.

    Sterling Type II carbine - semi-auto 16” barrel version of the WW2 British SMG. These were built by Wise-Lite and Century about 5-6 years back in limited numbers.
    Heavy. Accurate. Reliable. Always gets lots of use on range days. Even kids like to shoot it because recoil is just a pulse.
    The Type I had the half length barrel shroud.
    The Type II had the full length barrel shroud.

    GSG-MP40 - semi-auto version of the WW2 German SMG. Lots of fun but the lack of a folding stock makes it dfficult to shoot accurately.
    The one problem with this gun is the charging handle doesn’t lock in to place securely and falls out. It can be lost easily in the grass. I’m still trying to figure out a simple fix but its going to take a machinist to fix.
    Other than that the gun runs great.
     
  7. Sam7sf

    Sam7sf Well-Known

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    Sub2000 rifles are fun. Had a marlin 9 I miss.
     
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  8. Darqhelmet

    Darqhelmet You had one job, one.

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    I have the Beretta and the CZ. They both need little tweaks. I like that the Beretta takes 92FS mags. My better half loves the 92 so she has her pistol and the storm, same mags 15/17/30 rounds for both. I have a red dot on it and it works great. Recoil is sharp for a 9mm in a carbine.

    The CZ has a few issues, the grip angle and safety HAVE to be fixed before its a shooter. (Personal opinion) The CZ has a ton of aftermarket support if that is your thing that are well priced compared to the Beretta. One last option I have a bunch of trigger time behind is the Just Right Carbine. FIL has one in 9mm, works great less felt recoil, takes glock mags. (If that matters to you, doesn't to me)

    Between the Beretta and the CZ I would get the CZ. I would sell the sig as fast as possible if it was given to me and not look back. Its over complicated and expensive for me.
     
  9. deemus

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    I had a Marlin Camp 9 for a while. Had zero issues with it, and shot great. I sold mine for around $600. Not sure what those others go for. But a 9mm AR is likely sub $500, especially at Palmatto Arms.
     
  10. SQLGeek

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    I'd go for a Ruger PCC before any of the others you have listed. It reviews well, is relatively inexpensive and accepts Glock mags. Plus it have some after market support. It doesn't have a pistol grip though which makes the profile different from what you're looking at.
     


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