To those that I offended I apologise, now quit wasting your time arguing with me and call, fax and email your representative.
Ahh, a good spirited debate is never offensive! And I have contacted my rep
To those that I offended I apologise, now quit wasting your time arguing with me and call, fax and email your representative.
State requires something around 20-25 rounds biannually, about 5 of which have to be duty rounds, last I recall. Department requirements vary greatly, because a lot of times, these officers are spending ammo on their own dime. Or, as you put it, as ammo permits. Most officers I know put a great deal more ammo downrange, but so do the CHL holders I know.
The claim that CHL holders have ten hours of training is as broadly ridiculous as the claim that TX peace officers only have X amount of training per year. I won't divulge what my job is, but I deal with TX peace officers from all over the state daily. I feel supremely confident that I put more rounds downrange per year than all but a small percentage of them. That's partly because I can afford ammunition, but it's also due in part to the state requirements.
I feel that I have been selfish in not wanting CHL holders on campus. I see that a perp having to avoid incoming fire gives my loved ones time to escape or if she is 21 (3 daughters) it will give her the oppurtuniity to draw her P7 and return fire.
I support the legislation full heartedly I guess im just nervous about irresponsible CHLers and the consequences bestowed upon us for their actions.
GI-John
If faced with a shooter in a crowd, and there is no immediate way to safely diffuse the situation or immediate threat directly to me, I'm going to be looking for cover, dialing 911, and then maybe I'll look for a chance to do something about the situation. But, in all this, you have to remember I carry to take care of my safety, not yours. That is why you should carry. I'm not going to try and be a hero, but I'm also not going to stand by and twiddle my thumbs if I can prevent someone else from being a victim.
Basically, all that rambling I did is to say that I carry for the safety of my family and myself, not you. That is your responsibility. I won't hang you out to dry, but my priorities are simple and if I don't know you, you may be on my list of concerns, but you're not at the top.
<Flame away if necessary fellows, I'll be out of the office most of the day and will be back on later>
Now, after just stating an example of density you would find on campus and we all know lunatics love gun free zones. We start to question why responsible of age citizens/students cannot carry concealed. Well, to be honest in a crowd of 450 in the courtyard near the cafe if bullets were flying and our ears were ringing and suddenly we have 20 CHLERS drawing...
Better than having NO recourse.There are always going to be odds that do not favor you no matter what your preparation.
20 out of 450 is just under 5%. Given that unless you are military you cannot get a CHL under age 21, then that leaves a much smaller section of your 450 people who could be armed legally.
Out of your 450 students, if 100 are eligible for a CHL, only 1 of them is likely to be a CHL holder.
Even IF your numbers were true, the alternative is to have no one armed but the assailant. I don't think that is a viable alternative.
Better than having NO recourse.
Then to whom are you referring? The new law would only allow CHLers to carry.Im afraid you misread my post, I was not only speaking of the chl'ers within the 450 crowd.
Every soldier between 18 and 21 has obtained a CHL? Really? Call me skeptical.Furthermore. Every soldier in my unit over 18 but below 21 already became licensed.
So people who you 'think" are soldiers all must have a CHL? Really?On my campus there is a soldier in uniform where ever i turn my head, and even more out of uniform from the looks of their high and tight and backpacks. It is from my observation that i concluded that there are more permit carriers on this campus then i had initially thought.
No, on average there will be 1. There could be none, or could be three or 4. But 20? Please.....You talk as if the statistics you gave were concrete. It is not guaranteed that there will be "1" in a crowd of 100 there could be more there could be less.
I don't even know what that means...If you go by statistics alone then i suppose you think that alot of places are safe...when really, there just over due.
another wannabe trying to get the best of me.
So people who you 'think" are soldiers all must have a CHL? Really? No, on average there will be 1. There could be none, or could be three or 4. But 20? Please.....
I don't even know what that means...