Active Shooter at Robb Elementary in Uvalde

[Maverick44]

Beto besides being a demcrap is doing poorly in all the polls this stunt he pulled today that I saw on Hannity I fear will boost his campaign by giving him an influx of money from the anti-gun whacko's like the brady bunch, and from other anti-gun organizations, and also will be popular with robbers, muggers, home invaders across the country. Just a huge publicity stunt to raise money by the biggest ass hole in Texas. IMHO

It might make the anti gun wackos happy, but those aren't the ones who would be the deciding factor in the election. Moderates are going to see what he did in the same way we did. As a disgusting display of political grandstanding during an ongoing tragedy. They are going to see him as the scum he is.

 

[General Zod]

WFAA is reporting President Brandon will be traveling to Uvalde (they didn’t say when). But you can rest assured that won’t be to express sympathy but to push a gun control agenda.

Here's hoping the mayor gives him a nice warm welcome.

 

[Maverick44]

WFAA is reporting President Brandon will be traveling to Uvalde (they didn’t say when). But you can rest assured that won’t be to express sympathy but to push a gun control agenda.

Hmm, An anti gun idiot going to a small town in Texas to basically use that town's dead children as a platform for pushing a political agenda?

That ought to be entertaining to watch.

 

[Axxe55]

Here's hoping the mayor gives him a nice warm welcome.

"Let's Go Brandon!"

FJB!

 

[Axxe55]

Hmm, An anti gun idiot going to a small town in Texas to basically use that town's dead children as a platform for pushing a political agenda?

That ought to be entertaining to watch.

Or painful.

 

[Maverick44]

Or painful.

For him? Maybe they'll break out the tar and feathers.

 

[candcallen]

I didn’t see the first one, thought since it was kind of political I did it here, I didn’t look in news

Were just messin with you. Nothing personal. It's what we do. Didnt you mess with people growing up or were you too sheltered?

Saw that, no worries, guess this isn’t going to work out for me here, sorry for any inconvenience

Now why did you got and get butthurt? Now we gotta post all kinds of memes and such.

Seriously were still just messing with you. We all post extra threads and get called on it.

Well except for @ZX9RCAM he usually does the calling.

 

[Axxe55]

For him? Maybe they'll break out the tar and feathers.

We can hope! I'd even volunteer to heat up the tar.

 

[candcallen]

They won't work because guns aren't the problem. This about corrupt pols needing to make us defenceless to rule us.

 

[General Zod]

BTW, I was wrong about the SRO - turns out not only did he try to stop the shooter, they exchanged fire and both were wounded. He did his job, it just wasn't enough.

 

[A1Oni]

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

Onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers. That's what a witness said Wednesday as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was...

apnews.com

cop moment

 

[mongoose]

BTW, I was wrong about the SRO - turns out not only did he try to stop the shooter, they exchanged fire and both were wounded. He did his job, it just wasn't enough.

Looks like he was out gunned and did not have body armor. He had not been given the proper tools.

 

[Axxe55]

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

Onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers. That's what a witness said Wednesday as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was...

apnews.com

cop moment

Care to expand on that, or clarify it for everyone?

 

[Sam7sf]

from the article:

“Officials say he “encountered” a school district security officer outside the school, though there were conflicting reports from authorities on whether the men exchanged gunfire. After running inside, he fired on two arriving Uvalde police officers who were outside the building, said Texas Department of Public Safety spokesperson Travis Considine. The police officers were injured.

After entering the school, Ramos charged into one classroom and began to kill.

He “barricaded himself by locking the door and just started shooting children and teachers that were inside that classroom,” Lt. Christopher Olivarez of the Department of Public Safety told CNN. “It just shows you the complete evil of the shooter.”

All those killed were in the same classroom, he said.

Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.

“The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.”

Meanwhile, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the Border Patrol agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation”.

Le was caught off guard but I wouldn’t call this not doing anything. When you have two responding officers down and the shooter barricading, it complicates things.

 

[Axxe55]

from the article:

“Officials say he “encountered” a school district security officer outside the school, though there were conflicting reports from authorities on whether the men exchanged gunfire. After running inside, he fired on two arriving Uvalde police officers who were outside the building, said Texas Department of Public Safety spokesperson Travis Considine. The police officers were injured.

After entering the school, Ramos charged into one classroom and began to kill.

He “barricaded himself by locking the door and just started shooting children and teachers that were inside that classroom,” Lt. Christopher Olivarez of the Department of Public Safety told CNN. “It just shows you the complete evil of the shooter.”

All those killed were in the same classroom, he said.

Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.

“The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.”

Meanwhile, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the Border Patrol agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation”.

Le was caught off guard but I wouldn’t call this not doing anything.

I agree. They needed to assess the situation to know what the best course of action to take. Unfortunately that takes a little time. Blindly rushing in, could have meant many more lives would have been lost.

I will reiterate, the shooter was a cowardly POS loser. I'm glad he's dead!

 

[Sam7sf]

I agree. They needed to assess the situation to know what the best course of action to take. Unfortunately that takes a little time. Blindly rushing in, could have meant many more lives would have been lost.

I will reiterate, the shooter was a cowardly POS loser. I'm glad he's dead!

Many people will have many opinions. It’s only natural; especially the parents. However I didn’t read anything that indicated they stood outside jerking off. Those cops got put into a damned if you do damned if you don’t scenario.

Imagine you’re a cop responding and you show up to two cops down, the guy is bunkering in, and now you’re multitasking between aid to the downed cops and figuring out how to get in and get the guy without ending up like the two cops and being unable to provide help.

 

[Axxe55]

Many people will have many opinions. It’s only natural; especially the parents. However I didn’t read anything that indicated they stood outside jerking off. Those cops got put into a damned if you do damned if you don’t scenario.

Imagine you’re a cop responding and you show up to two cops down, the guy is bunkering in, and now you’re multitasking between aid to the downed cops and figuring out how to get in and get the guy without ending up like the two cops and being unable to provide help.

Exactly. I can only imagine the thoughts going through the parents minds. I can fully sympathize with what they were going through. In their minds, things were just not happening fast enough. But, LE has to assess and take the best course of action to take the perpetrator down, while minimizing further loss of life.

IMO, I think all LE officers did the very best they could with what was going on that day. very sad that children had to pay the price for whatever reason this POS was trying to accomplish.

Rot in Hell mother-f***er!

 

[Southpaw]

Salvador Ramos’s grandfather describes troubled teen and hidden guns

Ramos allegedly shot 66-year-old grandmother before school massacre

www.independent.co.uk

Hey @ZX9RCAM, looks like the Brits have their own twist on it.

Ramos turned 18 this month, and legally purchased two military-style “AR platform rifles”

 

[JColumbus]

I agree. They needed to assess the situation to know what the best course of action to take. Unfortunately that takes a little time. Blindly rushing in, could have meant many more lives would have been lost.

I will reiterate, the shooter was a cowardly POS loser. I'm glad he's dead!

I don't agree at all. Grown men are expendable compared to children, especially when you sign up to be expendable. Blindly rushing in is exactly what should be done, when a group of childrens lives are in danger and there seems to be no other option when every second is a precious child.

Now I know I'm not in a position to say I woulda done this, cause I'm not in any line of law enforcement, but I can say, when children are being executed, one by one, and seemingly the only option is to rush in, then that's EXACTLY what any grown man/men should do.

No I don't have sources. Just my opinion.

 

[andre3k]

from the article:

“Officials say he “encountered” a school district security officer outside the school, though there were conflicting reports from authorities on whether the men exchanged gunfire. After running inside, he fired on two arriving Uvalde police officers who were outside the building, said Texas Department of Public Safety spokesperson Travis Considine. The police officers were injured.

After entering the school, Ramos charged into one classroom and began to kill.

He “barricaded himself by locking the door and just started shooting children and teachers that were inside that classroom,” Lt. Christopher Olivarez of the Department of Public Safety told CNN. “It just shows you the complete evil of the shooter.”

All those killed were in the same classroom, he said.

Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw told reporters that 40 minutes to an hour elapsed from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer to when the tactical team shot him, though a department spokesman said later that they could not give a solid estimate of how long the gunman was in the school or when he was killed.

“The bottom line is law enforcement was there,” McCraw said. “They did engage immediately. They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom.”

Meanwhile, a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation said the Border Patrol agents had trouble breaching the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open the room with a key. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation”.

Le was caught off guard but I wouldn’t call this not doing anything. When you have two responding officers down and the shooter barricading, it complicates things.

I can only imagine what it would be like trying to breach a door with the shooter killing people inside and also shooting at you. Pure speculation on my part but a lot of classroom doors are heavy and open outwards. You'll need a pry tool instead of a ram.

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