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  • etmo

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    Pocket change compared to the TRILLIONS that are going to special interests and donors' pockets in the name of "infractructure" being "built back better".

    Sadly, probably true. There's plenty of money to protect our children, we just need to elect the right people.
     

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    Beto is working to change that

    Unfortunately, we have to keep this in mind at all times. Too many people in great places like Texas are complacent. They think that because their 2A rights have always been respected by Texas, this will never change.

    Hopefully, it never will, but rodents like Beto are always gnawing at the foundations of our society, and constant vigilance is required.

    Worse, there are far bigger rodents who are trying to attack our 2A rights on the national level, and we here in Texas are certainly familiar with those burdens.
     

    oldag

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    very little in tax revenue. Nope they get robin hood money and build fancy new schools if the admin doesn't pocket the money.

    I will get on a soap box for a while.
    I was working in school security for a while (providing equipment) and was appalled at the lack of security thinking of the school personnel. Doors left open, kids roaming the halls, un-restricted access from the outside. They did have RO's drinking coffee.
    This case, bad boy went in through playground fence and side door (where kids go to playground) and directly into classrooms. Obviously knew the routine of the school.
    For good security you need just one access point and barrier protection in that area. Armed personnel helps. Playground doors locked after the kids come in. Churches have to decide if they want to lock doors after services begin. Yup, Israelis airlines had a separate door for pilots to enter and NO access from passenger area. They also strip searched ALL passengers before boarding.
    Years ago banks decided to forgo the armed guard and just let insurance take the hit. Can't afford to do that with schools.
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    Gun LAWS don't do a darn thing to protect us. Never have! Bad guy doesn't care about LAWS.
    Yet you must be able to quickly evacuate students in case of a fire, etc.

    No access point can truly be made one way.

    Can buy a little time, maybe, but that is it. Anyone determined to get in will do so.
     

    oldag

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    Interview with some of his 'friends', grandfather (felon), etc..
    Whole lot doesn't add up ...

    The suspect lived in a front room and slept on a mattress on the floor, according to Reyes. The suspect had been staying with his grandparents after having a falling out with his mother. Another broken home product.

    Of course, the grandfather, being a felon, would deny knowledge of the guns.
     

    karlac

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    For those SJW's politicizing this tragedy in the media, it is a cultural/mental health issue, not a gun issue.

    The media, the lies, the lack of fathers in families, the purposeful degrading of the Judeo Christian values this country was built on, and the outright brainwashing, ad infinitum, in our schools.

    If they want more gun laws, move their ass to Chicago ...
     

    benenglish

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    Yet you must be able to quickly evacuate students in case of a fire, etc.
    Excellent point.

    It's always possible, though, to prioritize security over evacuation efficiency. For at least a decade before it was remodeled, the Leland federal building in downtown Houston required everyone entering or leaving to pass through one gap about 8 feet wide at the front guard station. Every single person, every single time, no exceptions. That included during fire drills which were always a massive cluster.

    There were three other ways out of the building on the ground floor. There was the loading dock but the gate was always down and access to the dock was keycard restricted so most people couldn't open the door or use the service elevator to get to it, anyway. There was a second main entrance but it was always locked in the interest of security. When it was first locked, everyone was assured it would automatically unlock in the event of a fire alarm but that mechanism never worked. And there was a side door that serviced the canteen but almost no one knew it existed; it was also locked with a keyed lock at all times.

    Clearly, then, the security setup in that building was designed around "We don't care if people can get out in case of fire. Access control is more important."

    I said all that to say these two things:
    • I've seen at least one large organization make a deliberate decision to prioritize access control over the ability to evacuate in an emergency. I may not agree with the choice but organizations do sometimes make that choice.
    • Does anyone know of a school that compromises evacuation routes in order to achieve perfect access control? If so, how's that working out?
     

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