Active Shooter at Robb Elementary in Uvalde

[Double Naught Spy]

That article also states a Halligan bar was available from the beginning, but doesn’t mention whether a sledge or axe was also available, which is kind of necessary when dealing with steel frame doors.

It’s also striking the number of physical locks that apparently failed for this to happen. That olus the whole key debacle leads me to believe the ISD PD didn’t take physical security very seriously which goes back to wholly incompetent.

Uvalde has an apt Fire Department. They could have had door breaching gear there very quickly.

However, I still go back to the fact that there was a wall of windows for the classrooms.

 

[Axxe55]

I have heard similar reports leaking out of the Abbott’s special legislative committee. Arredondo’s statement to the Tribune, through his lawyer, says

“Each time I tried a key I was just praying,” Arredondo said. Finally, 77 minutes after the massacre began, officers were able to unlock the door and fatally shoot the gunman.

Note what is quoted in that statement and what isn’t. Arredondo’s statement also talks out of both sides of his mouth. On one hand, he’s just another responder and not the IC, and on the other he’s ordering up SWAT from somewhere while or orchestrating the evac. I’ve given him and his department a lot of benefit of the doubt, but the more I come across, the more I leaned towards the ISD PD is/was wholly incompetent.

Waiting for keys, unable to break down doors: Uvalde schools police chief defends delay in confronting gunman

Criticized by law enforcement experts for slowness in taking out the shooter, Pete Arredondo described an agonizing wait for a key that would work. In an interview with The Texas Tribune, he said he hadn’t spoken out sooner because he didn’t want to compound his hometown’s grief or point blame.

www.texastribune.org

That's the second time I have read that article. It reads more like it's self-serving and deflection of blame than anything.

 

[Axxe55]

I would love to be wrong. I couldn’t read the previous article because of paywall but this article covers the topic and doesn’t make it sound too good.

Source: Police never tried to open door to classrooms where Uvalde gunman had kids trapped

Surveillance footage shows police never tried to open the door to the classrooms at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.

www.houstonchronicle.com

Almost comes down to two possible scenarios, neither good. Gross incompetence or a conspiracy of a hidden agenda. I sure hope it was just incompetence for everyone's sake.

 

[Axxe55]

Uvalde has an apt Fire Department. They could have had door breaching gear there very quickly.

However, I still go back to the fact that there was a wall of windows for the classrooms.

Exactly. And they were using windows in other classrooms to evacuate children and teachers. Windows are very easy to breach.

 

[benenglish]

For the first time, it’s reported the door between 111 and 112 is really a jack and jill bathroom

If a "detail" like the basic architecture of the rooms has been reported incorrectly for this long, that's evidence of a great deal of incompetence after the fact by the reporters, the public agency spokesmen, and everyone else involved.

It may seem like a little thing but it's so basic I can't understand how it wasn't corrected almost immediately.

 

[Axxe55]

How Well-Barricaded Was the Texas Shooter in the Classroom?

While the initial police narrative about the Uvalde shooting has completely fallen apart, they remain tight-lipped about what options, if any, were considered for breaching the classroom.

www.vice.com

Floorplan of the classrooms and the bathroom.

 

[oldag]

Not really, especially under the Obama administration. Didn’t bother the LEOs responding to the Duncanville Fieldhouse man with a gun call this past week.

Police in the Dallas area kill a gunman who entered a summer camp for kids

Authorities credit the fast response by camp staff and police with preventing injuries to anyone else.

www.npr.org

Steven Willeford didn’t even pause as he engaged, with a rifle, a POS standing between him and his friends inside a church. Barefoot and while taking fire, he put two rounds center of mass.

You missed the point.

 

[seeker_two]

I just heard there were kids playing outside, is the reason he didn't shoot.
This is what they just said on the news.
Is this correct?

Why would there be children playing outside during a lockdown?.....

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[ZX9RCAM]

Why would there be children playing outside during a lockdown?.....

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I'm pretty sure this was WAY before the lockdown.
Just as he was getting on to the school property.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

There is not much verifiable information available to the public yet.

I tend to favor the Texas Tribune timeline page as it sources every statement and, up until recently, has been regularly updated.

What we know, minute by minute, about how the Uvalde shooting and police response unfolded

State officials provided a timeline of the massacre and have corrected crucial details amid public demands for information on how authorities handled the situation.

www.texastribune.org

There’s been a lot of info leak in the past week with some of it sourced, but not verifiable.

ETA: Express News gives a slightly different version of events and is not sourced. The diagramming is much better. For the first time, it’s reported the door between 111 and 112 is really a jack and jill bathroom. I don’t know how accurate that is, but it certainly changes some things if true.

Chaos and confusion: A visual reconstruction of the ever-changing Uvalde timeline

Following the massacre in Uvalde, Texas, state and local officials have struggled to agree on what happened the morning of May 24, 2022.

www.expressnews.com

Thanks.

Express news has paywall.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Uvalde has an apt Fire Department.

Don’t disagree.

However, I still go back to the fact that there was a wall of windows for the classrooms

Every report I’ve said says rooms 111/112, which is in the main building and not one of the four ‘wings’ that are wall of windows.

Here’s the main building, 111/112 would be on the other side of the hallway. Different windows, entirely.

Your point is not invalid though, it’s a means for entry. The tactical challenge is that once somebody decides ‘barricaded suspect’, the generally accepted tactic is to wait it out and negotiate.

Given there’s minutes to nearly a quarter hour of delay until LEOs are inside the building and trying to understand the tactical situation, I can understand Arredondo (with nothing but a cell phone) coming to an assessment of barricaded suspect, so get everybody else evacuated and get the resources to deal with a barricaded suspect.

I can understand how he got to that decision, even though it was the wrong one. What I can’t come to terms with is who was the MFWIC? With at least 4 agencies and 19 or more LEOs inside the main building and reports of somebody issuing orders via radio (which could not be Arredondo), that’s a recipe for exactly what happened.

 

[toddnjoyce]

How Well-Barricaded Was the Texas Shooter in the Classroom?

While the initial police narrative about the Uvalde shooting has completely fallen apart, they remain tight-lipped about what options, if any, were considered for breaching the classroom.

www.vice.com

Floorplan of the classrooms and the bathroom.

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Which is why I made the point about the express-news timeline NOT being sourced/verifiable. The Bice article introduces different variations, to include a stuck key.

I’m not saying there’s fiction being written, but anonymous sources and unverified statements are easy to print.

 

[Big Dipper]

Coverup?

What are you talking about? We gots are rights to not tell you nothin!

Law firm representing Uvalde cites Texas Government Code to withhold release of shooting information

AUSTIN (KXAN) — On Thursday, a private law firm hired by the city of Uvalde and Uvalde police released a 15-day brief that was sent to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton’s office regarding…

www.kxan.com

 

[oldag]

This does seem to sound worse the more that comes out.

 

[Axxe55]

This does seem to sound worse the more that comes out.

Kind of my thoughts as well.

 

[Axxe55]

Coverup?

What are you talking about? We gots are rights to not tell you nothin!

Law firm representing Uvalde cites Texas Government Code to withhold release of shooting information

AUSTIN (KXAN) — On Thursday, a private law firm hired by the city of Uvalde and Uvalde police released a 15-day brief that was sent to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton’s office regarding…

www.kxan.com

‘Dead suspect loophole’ could be used to block release of Uvalde records

Texas’ “Dead Suspect Loophole” could be used to block the release of law enforcement records related to last week’s school shooting in Uvalde that left 19 children and two a…

www.kxan.com

 

[mongoose]

The more that comes out the lower I hang my head in shame and the madder I get. I can’t imagine the parents pain and outrage.

 

[easy rider]

I don't know if it's true, but now I'm hearing he was outside shooting at the school for several minutes before going in.

 

[Axxe55]

I don't know if it's true, but now I'm hearing he was outside shooting at the school for several minutes before going in.

Seems like I read that somewhere as well.

 

[mongoose]

I just read two accounts that Ramos wandered around outside for twelve minutes before entering the school. In those twelve minutes he was not challenged by LE.

This just gets worse and worse.