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  • etmo

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    Beto is working to change that

    Unfortunately, we have to keep this in mind at all times. Too many people in great places like Texas are complacent. They think that because their 2A rights have always been respected by Texas, this will never change.

    Hopefully, it never will, but rodents like Beto are always gnawing at the foundations of our society, and constant vigilance is required.

    Worse, there are far bigger rodents who are trying to attack our 2A rights on the national level, and we here in Texas are certainly familiar with those burdens.
     

    oldag

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    very little in tax revenue. Nope they get robin hood money and build fancy new schools if the admin doesn't pocket the money.

    I will get on a soap box for a while.
    I was working in school security for a while (providing equipment) and was appalled at the lack of security thinking of the school personnel. Doors left open, kids roaming the halls, un-restricted access from the outside. They did have RO's drinking coffee.
    This case, bad boy went in through playground fence and side door (where kids go to playground) and directly into classrooms. Obviously knew the routine of the school.
    For good security you need just one access point and barrier protection in that area. Armed personnel helps. Playground doors locked after the kids come in. Churches have to decide if they want to lock doors after services begin. Yup, Israelis airlines had a separate door for pilots to enter and NO access from passenger area. They also strip searched ALL passengers before boarding.
    Years ago banks decided to forgo the armed guard and just let insurance take the hit. Can't afford to do that with schools.
    Off the box now.
    Gun LAWS don't do a darn thing to protect us. Never have! Bad guy doesn't care about LAWS.
    Yet you must be able to quickly evacuate students in case of a fire, etc.

    No access point can truly be made one way.

    Can buy a little time, maybe, but that is it. Anyone determined to get in will do so.
     

    oldag

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    Interview with some of his 'friends', grandfather (felon), etc..
    Whole lot doesn't add up ...

    The suspect lived in a front room and slept on a mattress on the floor, according to Reyes. The suspect had been staying with his grandparents after having a falling out with his mother. Another broken home product.

    Of course, the grandfather, being a felon, would deny knowledge of the guns.
     

    karlac

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    For those SJW's politicizing this tragedy in the media, it is a cultural/mental health issue, not a gun issue.

    The media, the lies, the lack of fathers in families, the purposeful degrading of the Judeo Christian values this country was built on, and the outright brainwashing, ad infinitum, in our schools.

    If they want more gun laws, move their ass to Chicago ...
     

    benenglish

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    Yet you must be able to quickly evacuate students in case of a fire, etc.
    Excellent point.

    It's always possible, though, to prioritize security over evacuation efficiency. For at least a decade before it was remodeled, the Leland federal building in downtown Houston required everyone entering or leaving to pass through one gap about 8 feet wide at the front guard station. Every single person, every single time, no exceptions. That included during fire drills which were always a massive cluster.

    There were three other ways out of the building on the ground floor. There was the loading dock but the gate was always down and access to the dock was keycard restricted so most people couldn't open the door or use the service elevator to get to it, anyway. There was a second main entrance but it was always locked in the interest of security. When it was first locked, everyone was assured it would automatically unlock in the event of a fire alarm but that mechanism never worked. And there was a side door that serviced the canteen but almost no one knew it existed; it was also locked with a keyed lock at all times.

    Clearly, then, the security setup in that building was designed around "We don't care if people can get out in case of fire. Access control is more important."

    I said all that to say these two things:
    • I've seen at least one large organization make a deliberate decision to prioritize access control over the ability to evacuate in an emergency. I may not agree with the choice but organizations do sometimes make that choice.
    • Does anyone know of a school that compromises evacuation routes in order to achieve perfect access control? If so, how's that working out?
     

    single stack

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    For those SJW's politicizing this tragedy in the media, it is a cultural/mental health issue, not a gun issue.

    The media, the lies, the lack of fathers in families, the purposeful degrading of the Judeo Christian values this country was built on, and the outright brainwashing, ad infinitum, in our schools.

    If they want more gun laws, move their ass to Chicago ...
    Correct.
    Also, most states have eliminated or squandered mental health programs and initiatives. Even prisons lack mental wards.
    Without proper identification and care the troubled folks go off the deep end into criminality and insanity.
    Lowly school counselors and staff are afraid to identify a child as troubled, lest they be attacked by the troubled pervs in the administration.
     

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    • I've seen at least one large organization make a deliberate decision to prioritize access control over the ability to evacuate in an emergency. I may not agree with the choice but organizations do sometimes make that choice.

    It's a common choice and a fairly easy one. Just because all "normal" ingress/egress is tightly funneled doesn't mean that is where all thought must end, and we must all die in congested exits.

    The simple solution is many exits which are not in "normal" use, and are opened in the event of an emergency. We have all seen these doors everywhere, they're labeled "Emergency Exits".

    From there it's a simple thing where we then decide how tightly to lock down the emergency exits. Do we just put a simple alarm on them, do we keep them locked and if so, how easy do we make it to open them?

    A quick check suggests that the last time a school had a fire which killed more than ten students was 1954 (https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Resea...hools/US-school-fires-with-ten-or-more-deaths). School building codes have come a long way in our lifetimes, and fire just isn't a significant issue. Someone with more knowledge can hopefully chime in, but my understanding is that for earthquakes, the policy is that children remain sheltered inside, so exits would also be irrelevant. What about tornadoes? How does that policy work?

    Anyways, no one is claiming that emergency exits are 100% secure, but no one is claiming that having SEAL team 6 walking the halls of your local school is 100% secure, either. There is no 100%, so anyone who whines about imperfection is creating a straw man -- we'll never get to perfect. All that we can do is strive to improve, and secured single ingress/egress is an improvement.

    We don't have tons of money to spend, but if we quit financing foreigners / illegals, we'll certainly have a starting point without raising spending. Seal up all the exits except 1 and put an armed guard behind some protection inside. Make the other exits "emergency only", and let the safety experts dial in the level of lockdown on those exits.

    Lastly, don't think that for one second that even if every school in America were protected by God Himself that the killing of innocent children will stop. Psychos will just go to the children's ward in hospitals or local playgrounds or little-league baseball games or etc. It's the same end result as gun control -- people are the problem, not guns, so until you fix the broken freaks out there (and stop creating so many new ones), we'll always have these tragedies.
     

    SQLGeek

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    No access point can truly be made one way.

    Absolutely true. The Parkland HS shooter got into the locked down school through a door left propped open.

    Hardening without turning the school into a military installation only goes so far.
     

    candcallen

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